Besides, it's Jim's call whether the original wording is changed, not yours, Trudy, or a matter of consensus. The discussion here is an opportunity for the original proposer to hear arguments on the proposal and language, but it is the proposer's decision on what is put forth to vote.

I still think Victor's idea is practical and will make everyone happy. One thread for spoiler-hatas, one thread for those who want to discuss the BCS but no other spoilers ,and one for the spoiler lovers. No One is left out, no one has to accept a compromise, no one has to be spoiled if they don't want to. I am guessing the second thread will get the most traffic until the fall and then it can be folded into the main thread. This way, everyone gets a place to discuss the shows--and we can stop trying to get people to change their individual spoiler preferences, which is hopeless and actually kind of disrespectful.

I am reposting this from Bureau, from Scrappy. I am still unsure why this won't work, except for it wasn't the original proposal.

This is fucking insane.

Hey, same thing you were complaining about in Spoilers, re: calling the unspoiled insane.

But I do agree that if Jim so prefers, it can be added to the proposal, "If the Casting Change is added, so is added a Virgins thread." 'Course, the anti-thread proliferation party may take issue. But where we are closing some threads during the Great Housecleaning of The Fall 2003 TeeVee Season, perhaps we'll end up even stevens.

I am reposting this from Bureau, from Scrappy. I am still unsure why this won't work, except for it wasn't the original proposal.

Personally, I'm against a compromise that ghettoizes each spoiler or unspoiler group into their own thread. I'm for accomodating the middle as much as possible and using the vote to find out what the middle is.

It'll dilute the discussion quite a bit and confuse the boards and create new threads to slice everything so fine. That's my issue.

Also, while that may be the compromise that may best resolve all issues, it is not the proposal at hand.

Personally, I'm against a compromise that ghettoizes each spoiler or unspoiler group into their own thread. I'm for accomodating the middle as much as possible and using the vote to find out what the middle is.

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There isn't a middle if you want to watch the show without having any clue of what is going to happen.

Maybe I'm way off base here, but I never got the impression that this wonderful board was designed to be all things for all people. I thought it was designed to be most things to most people. I don't want to see anyone ghettoized or made to feel left out, but I think that in trying to be all things to all people we will fracture ourselves more.

Sometimes people move out of a neighborhood. It happens. It's sad, but people all need to do what's best for themselves and their needs.

Note: The above is NOT, in anyway, directed at any one person or group of people.

There isn't a middle if you want to watch the show without having any clue of what is going to happen.

Again, we don't know what the outcome to this vote is yet.

If the summer-cast-change is allowed as non-spoily, then you may propose a new board for virgins. If you get the necessary seconds it will be go back to Lightbult for discussion and a vote.

This will all happen before the season begins.

It'll dilute the discussion quite a bit and confuse the boards and create new threads to slice everything so fine. That's my issue.

Agreed. I feel like we've lost a great deal of richness in natter by removing movies and music (note -- absolutely not proposing any change, just observing); we've seen that a bunch of people avoid the show threads altogether out of fear of treading on the spoiler policy we already have. The social effects of thread proliferation are much greater than the bandwidth cost. I hate to see this turn into one of those boards where there are a million separate threads and no good discussion.

I don't want to see anyone ghettoized or made to feel left out, but I think that in trying to be all things to all people we will fracture ourselves more.

Exactly.

However, if the Virgins can make their case and muster the votes then we'll add a virgin board. I wouldn't prefer that and would expect that to be a very tiny tea party indeed. But if it gets voted in, so be it.