It sounds good, Kristen. (It also sounds like there is something besides Spikes Back! and I really don't want to know that.)

That looks like a good definition for position one.

I do believe, however, that there is a contingent of position two who want to expand the definition in general.

Trudy makes a good point... I would personally prefer to be unspoiled and not get spoiled by discussion in the NAFDA threads.

But, since I am spoiled, I have no objection to people discussing Trudy's whitefont in the NAFDA threads assuming that this is something that is easily found/not easily avoided and we don't run the risk of spoiling people who do not know.

I do not want the spoiler definition changed to suit my personal spoiler tolerances (because that would include no discussion of promos, and that's just not fair to most of the posters in the NAFDA threads). I am not trying to dictate policy, I am stating my preferences, as are we all.

I think it's more about clarifying spoiler policy than changing it Steph.

Cindy, I understand that the information comes out there. What I'm asking -- is the suggestion for me to verify after the info's out -- to track down those releases? Not particularly helpful. New season page for Angel looks reasonably unspoilery (using the proposed re-def) now that I've found it -- that's what I'd suggest as the resource.

So, like I said I'm a blend of 1 and 2.

Do you want a change just for this topic (1) or for future discussions (2)?

I think it's more about clarifying spoiler policy than changing it Steph.

I don't understand how it's about clarifying, and not changing, unless you're talking the de facto policy, not the de jure one.

That is what the proposal is about, though -- changing the spoiler policy.

And the reason that it may be a problem, Steph, is that the spoiler policy may (and I believe it is) be non-changeable until Sept 20th under the current grandfather vote.

I really don't want to know that.

It's going to be in the promo. That's my issue with this discussion. You don't want to know the info today, July 26, but you're okay with knowing it on the date the WB decides to show it to you?

Again, not snide, honestly wondering.

Because the spoiler that you (Trudy) know is one that will not be a surprise. The WB is going to pimp the hell out of it. And yes, they have not done so in a televised fashion as of yet.

But again, why do you not want to know it today, but you'll be okay knowing it on (for instance) September 7th? You'll still know before the show premiere.

Trudy makes a good point... I would personally prefer to be unspoiled and not get spoiled by discussion in the NAFDA threads.

Fair enough. Although, after reading all of this stuff, I'm well convinced that no one's going to come out happy from this particular debate.

Except me. I don't care.

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This doesn't mean I have to hit Tara now, does it?

EDITED to prove I can spell, which is something I have to do way more than I should, seeing as making sure things are spelled right is my freaking job. In truth, I'm beginning to think that my many typos on this board are a manifestation of my Jungian Shadow Self, the repressed part of my brain which deeply, deeply wishes not to be concerned with spelling, punctuation and grammer. I think I may need counseling.

Fair enough. Although, after reading all of this stuff, I'm well comvinced that no one's going to come out happy from this particular debate.

I think that you're quite right about that.