I am really, really sorry I brought this up. I swear I only wanted clarification.

I get it now, and I think it was my elaborations that made it messier. Apologies all around.

(Good point, too, Burrell.)

Are we going to vote on a Minear thread or not? I'm confused.

I would welcome a Minear thread, because then it would be a good way to gauge if we need a Wonder Falls thread later on.

First we have to propose and vote. (I hated interdict, so I kept "challenge")

Here's the final text of Grandfather. Can somebody set up the vote? (Have we discussed this long enough that asking for a vote is proper?)

All decisions made before March 20, 2003 are subject to a moratorium before being reopened for discussion and voting. During the moratorium, changes to the decision cannot be proposed, discussed, or voted on. The moratorium lasts 6 months beginning March 20, 2003.

If an issue is proposed and a Buffista believes the issue should fall under the moratorium, the Buffista must challenge the proposal. To challenge a proposal, you link to the pre-March proposal of the issue. If at least five distinct people replied to the proposal and no action was taken, this counts as a negative decision and falls under the moratorium. If the action was implemented, this counts as a positive decision and falls under the moratorium.

If you vote "Yes", then issues decided before March 20,2003 cannot be reopened for discussion until September 20, 2003. After September 20th, 2003, they can be reopened exactly like any voted-on decision.

If you vote "No", then issues decided before March 20, 2003 can be reopened at any time, beginning immediately.

I still don't know why March 20 is the date in the proposal and not February 22, or an earlier "fairer" date. But other than that, I think the proposal looks great. Thanks for all the hard work, Betsy.

Can somebody set up the vote? (Have we discussed this long enough that asking for a vote is proper?)

I'll set up the ballot. When does voting start? Tomorrow night at Midnight or tonight?

March 20th is the date, because that's when Betsy originally made the grandfather proposal in bureau. And for the love of all that's holy, it's this kind of pedantry (and believe me, I have pedantry coursing though my veins in lieu of blood) that makes these discussions so difficult. March 20? February 22? Who gives a fig? It's Betsy's proposal, it's her date. She can throw in the 12th of Never, and we either vote yes or no, based on content, date, or how she used commas.

Cindy, I thought this thread was for discussion/suggestions about the proposal. I don't understand where I crossed the line here, since I asked this question three times and nobody addressed it.

Well, the short version is, what the proposer says goes on the proposal. She may listen to our suggestions, and accept some of them, and reject some of them. Betsy hated my "interdict" and didn't use it, and that's her right, even if I much prefer the $0.50 word. (It's a cool word!)

I think, though, that Betsy's most recent post was intended as the final text of the ballot, in which case all of this is Monday-morning quarterbacking, which may be where Cindy's frustration lies. Cindy, am I right?

Sorry I didn't respond. The answer to the question is that March 20th was the date I proposed it, and in that proposal I said "As from today". I figured that I got four seconds for the idea that as from March 20th there was a moratorium. If I were changing it, I'd change it to May 20th.