Karl, thank you so much for sharing that with us.
Giles: I'm sure we're all perfectly safe. Dawn: We're safe. Right. And Spike built a robot Buffy to play checkers with. Tara: It sounded convincing when I thought it.
'Dirty Girls'
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Jessica - Oct 17, 2016 3:39:28 am PDT #10003 of 10289
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
smonster - Oct 17, 2016 3:47:43 am PDT #10004 of 10289
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.
Karl, thanks for trying. Agreed that reading that old thread is nausea-inducing. Even his apology is a non-apology. Classic. (Also, am retroactively questioning my preference for Sam)
DCJ, thanks for stepping up.
Liese, excellent points. Also, I adore you, but you knew that.
Strix, you seem to be doing the work, and I salute you. And I'm so glad for your own sake.
Amy - Oct 17, 2016 4:10:58 am PDT #10005 of 10289
Because books.
Strix, what smonster said, very much so.
And Karl, wow, thanks for pointing to that. It's eye-opening now. And while I can understand the reaction of the women in the thread at the time, it's sobering to know seeds of Sunil's behavior were growing that long ago.
Also, rereading the SPN thread is so bittersweet.
flea - Oct 17, 2016 4:14:54 am PDT #10006 of 10289
information libertarian
I've been following and processing and wanted to say I am glad that we've agreed to have a vote to not follow the usual process, because I am a big fan of respecting our own rules, and given what has come out here and elsewhere I will vote to ban PC. I didn't even realize he was an active poster here any more or had been for years - I thought his social climbing had taken him far beyond our pool of small fish! But I also did not realize he had harassed members of our community, so even if he were not still a current poster I would support a ban on those grounds.
And I really liked what Trudy had to say and identified with it.
Dana - Oct 17, 2016 4:44:48 am PDT #10007 of 10289
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."
I'm sorry, Karl. I wish I'd known.
vw bug - Oct 17, 2016 4:49:52 am PDT #10008 of 10289
Mostly lurking...
Damn it, I hate when my gut is right about people.
This is me. While I never hand any direct issues with him, his active presence in Bitches ruined it for me. He's certainly not the only reason I'm not around as much, but it certainly didn't help.
I've been following along and absolutely on board with the ban. I think a vote to change our procedure in this case is also appropriate. I will definitely vote to to make sure we reach quorum.
Gudanov - Oct 17, 2016 4:51:07 am PDT #10009 of 10289
Coding and Sleeping
I had no idea of any of that. I support the ban, too.
Laura - Oct 17, 2016 4:56:07 am PDT #10010 of 10289
Our wings are not tired.
Karl, I wasn't a reader of the SPN thread, but I want to express my apology for your experience.
I love us all, and I regret my lack of awareness and support for any of you who were hurt or offended.
This.
JZ - Oct 17, 2016 5:01:43 am PDT #10011 of 10289
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.
Karl, I wasn't a reader of the SPN thread, but I want to express my apology for your experience.
I love us all, and I regret my lack of awareness and support for any of you who were hurt or offended.
Seconding both of these, and adding that I'm so sorry for my own contributions. I know I was one of his occasional defenders, probably because I identified with his lostness and awkwardness and social floundering so deeply. From my teens into my early twenties, I was so much like him I give myself the creeps thinking about it, and it made me extend the benefit of the doubt longer than I should have and ignore the expressed bad feelings of Buffistas whom I love and respect. I'm deeply sorry.
(Edited to delete waffle words and own my shit.)
Theodosia - Oct 17, 2016 5:27:06 am PDT #10012 of 10289
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"
If it was the case of one or two reports of interactions gone sour, I'd slide towards benefit-of-doubt, but there are too many, and some of them from sources whose judgment I have long trusted.
I'm really sad about this, because this is a side of PC I have never experienced. In a way, it feels like I'm mourning a death.