I'm sorry, Karl. I wish I'd known.
Say! look at you! You look just like me! We're very pretty.
Buffybot ,'Dirty Girls'
Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!
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Dana - Oct 17, 2016 4:44:48 am PDT #10007 of 10289
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."
vw bug - Oct 17, 2016 4:49:52 am PDT #10008 of 10289
Mostly lurking...
Damn it, I hate when my gut is right about people.
This is me. While I never hand any direct issues with him, his active presence in Bitches ruined it for me. He's certainly not the only reason I'm not around as much, but it certainly didn't help.
I've been following along and absolutely on board with the ban. I think a vote to change our procedure in this case is also appropriate. I will definitely vote to to make sure we reach quorum.
Gudanov - Oct 17, 2016 4:51:07 am PDT #10009 of 10289
Coding and Sleeping
I had no idea of any of that. I support the ban, too.
Laura - Oct 17, 2016 4:56:07 am PDT #10010 of 10289
Our wings are not tired.
Karl, I wasn't a reader of the SPN thread, but I want to express my apology for your experience.
I love us all, and I regret my lack of awareness and support for any of you who were hurt or offended.
This.
JZ - Oct 17, 2016 5:01:43 am PDT #10011 of 10289
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.
Karl, I wasn't a reader of the SPN thread, but I want to express my apology for your experience.
I love us all, and I regret my lack of awareness and support for any of you who were hurt or offended.
Seconding both of these, and adding that I'm so sorry for my own contributions. I know I was one of his occasional defenders, probably because I identified with his lostness and awkwardness and social floundering so deeply. From my teens into my early twenties, I was so much like him I give myself the creeps thinking about it, and it made me extend the benefit of the doubt longer than I should have and ignore the expressed bad feelings of Buffistas whom I love and respect. I'm deeply sorry.
(Edited to delete waffle words and own my shit.)
Theodosia - Oct 17, 2016 5:27:06 am PDT #10012 of 10289
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"
If it was the case of one or two reports of interactions gone sour, I'd slide towards benefit-of-doubt, but there are too many, and some of them from sources whose judgment I have long trusted.
I'm really sad about this, because this is a side of PC I have never experienced. In a way, it feels like I'm mourning a death.
sumi - Oct 17, 2016 5:34:26 am PDT #10013 of 10289
Art Crawl!!!
I had no idea. Came over here due to DC's post on FB. I am so sorry that so many buffistas were hurt, discomfited and driven away by Sunil's behavior.
I agree that a vote for skipping the usual process is good - both to make. Lear that we are conscious of the break in our usual process and because it brings the issues and circumstances to the attention of the whole community.
It makes me sad that any of us chose to avoid this place and f2f gatherings because of him.
Steph L. - Oct 17, 2016 5:34:40 am PDT #10014 of 10289
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe
I'm really sad about this, because this is a side of PC I have never experienced. In a way, it feels like I'm mourning a death.
I feel the same way. But also angry.
Jesse - Oct 17, 2016 5:48:32 am PDT #10015 of 10289
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
This is such a perfect illustration of why dealing with harassment is so hard. When several people say, "Nah, I didn't care about that [comment, joke, inappropriate whatever]!" it makes it a lot harder for the people to who do care about it to speak up. I say this as a person who is often on the "wrong" side, and needs to think hard about it.
msbelle - Oct 17, 2016 6:00:19 am PDT #10016 of 10289
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb
I echo what Trudy said earlier about everyone cutting themselves some slack. Manipulators are good at this stuff y'all. Dividing groups is so commonplace. I do believe we could not have had this conversation many years ago when some of these things occurred, the board has mellowed A LOT and we have had the benefit of witnessing so many other social network ups and downs.