Cordelia: You're him. You're Angel's son. Connor: It's not like I got to choose.

'Hell Bound'


Natter 77: I miss my friends. I miss my enemies. I miss the people I talked to every day.

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Dana - Jan 17, 2022 1:42:29 pm PST #12163 of 29428
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

whoooo, that Joss article is not good. For him, I mean.


Consuela - Jan 17, 2022 2:01:52 pm PST #12164 of 29428
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

That Vice article? Really, no. But it helps put a lot of stuff into context for me.

And I will continue to have a fondness for that type of dialog, I suspect.


Laura - Jan 17, 2022 2:04:13 pm PST #12165 of 29428
Our wings are not tired.

None of it will keep me from giggling at Pangs once a year.


Consuela - Jan 17, 2022 2:14:56 pm PST #12166 of 29428
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Oh, wait, this is a different article. This is... yikes.

Still, she wondered if those who’d been hurt by him had misunderstood him. Whedon was not the first boss in the history of moving pictures to make a writer cry.

I'm sorry, a workplace in which people CRY is not being well-managed. I won't go so far as to say it's necessarily toxic, but it's not right. If you are a manager and people cry for reasons having to do with the workplace, that's on you.


Topic!Cindy - Jan 17, 2022 4:16:03 pm PST #12167 of 29428
What is even happening?

Yeah, the talk of the day is the Vulture article. I posted about it in the Buffy thread, because I didn't know where else to put it.

What's the Vice article, Consuela?


Consuela - Jan 17, 2022 4:45:03 pm PST #12168 of 29428
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

That was more about his writing than his behavior, here: [link]


Consuela - Jan 17, 2022 7:36:52 pm PST #12169 of 29428
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Here's a great article about managing to heal when someone toxic makes something you love: [link]


NoiseDesign - Jan 18, 2022 12:26:46 am PST #12170 of 29428
Our wings are not tired

Whedon was not the first boss in the history of moving pictures to make a writer cry.

This is also because so much of the entertainment industry is just broken and toxic.


Calli - Jan 18, 2022 6:56:05 am PST #12171 of 29428
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Thanks for the article, Consuela.

One thing that the Vulture article mentioned was that Buffy was considered feminist, but wasn't really. And, I think that claim suffers a bit from being made in 2022. When Buffy came out, I think it was pretty feminist for its milieu. But culturally we've moved past it. Which is a good thing, but cultural context does matter.

Joss can be a terrible boss, especially to the women on his staff and cast, and still write stuff that's feminist. People write themes they aren't personally living all the time.


Dana - Jan 18, 2022 7:16:31 am PST #12172 of 29428
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

Awesome, covid exposure at work last week. Sigh.