And boys -- let's watch the swearing.

Mayor ,'Chosen'


Natter 77: I miss my friends. I miss my enemies. I miss the people I talked to every day.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Consuela - Jan 17, 2022 2:01:52 pm PST #12164 of 30000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

That Vice article? Really, no. But it helps put a lot of stuff into context for me.

And I will continue to have a fondness for that type of dialog, I suspect.


Laura - Jan 17, 2022 2:04:13 pm PST #12165 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

None of it will keep me from giggling at Pangs once a year.


Consuela - Jan 17, 2022 2:14:56 pm PST #12166 of 30000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Oh, wait, this is a different article. This is... yikes.

Still, she wondered if those who’d been hurt by him had misunderstood him. Whedon was not the first boss in the history of moving pictures to make a writer cry.

I'm sorry, a workplace in which people CRY is not being well-managed. I won't go so far as to say it's necessarily toxic, but it's not right. If you are a manager and people cry for reasons having to do with the workplace, that's on you.


Topic!Cindy - Jan 17, 2022 4:16:03 pm PST #12167 of 30000
What is even happening?

Yeah, the talk of the day is the Vulture article. I posted about it in the Buffy thread, because I didn't know where else to put it.

What's the Vice article, Consuela?


Consuela - Jan 17, 2022 4:45:03 pm PST #12168 of 30000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

That was more about his writing than his behavior, here: [link]


Consuela - Jan 17, 2022 7:36:52 pm PST #12169 of 30000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Here's a great article about managing to heal when someone toxic makes something you love: [link]


NoiseDesign - Jan 18, 2022 12:26:46 am PST #12170 of 30000
Our wings are not tired

Whedon was not the first boss in the history of moving pictures to make a writer cry.

This is also because so much of the entertainment industry is just broken and toxic.


Calli - Jan 18, 2022 6:56:05 am PST #12171 of 30000
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Thanks for the article, Consuela.

One thing that the Vulture article mentioned was that Buffy was considered feminist, but wasn't really. And, I think that claim suffers a bit from being made in 2022. When Buffy came out, I think it was pretty feminist for its milieu. But culturally we've moved past it. Which is a good thing, but cultural context does matter.

Joss can be a terrible boss, especially to the women on his staff and cast, and still write stuff that's feminist. People write themes they aren't personally living all the time.


Dana - Jan 18, 2022 7:16:31 am PST #12172 of 30000
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

Awesome, covid exposure at work last week. Sigh.


Steph L. - Jan 18, 2022 9:10:13 am PST #12173 of 30000
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

Tim's dad is going to start receiving hospice care, although at this point he doesn't have a timeline (like 6 months to live, 6 weeks to live, etc). But he didn't really participate in his post-stroke rehab, and he's not eating much and my brother-in-law described it as "he's just winding down."

Something that complicates things is that when Tim's dad was in the hospital 3-4 weeks ago, they ordered a lab test for TB, and it takes 6 weeks to get that back, because the sample has to be cultured that long. With the Covid precautions at the nursing home (full gown, gloves, mask and face shield, hair covering), even if he has TB, it seems highly unlikely to be transmitted. However, Tim is at higher risk for TB because of the meds he takes for his RA, and has to get a TB test once a year. So not knowing whether his dad has it, he hasn't visited his dad in 3 weeks, and he's losing precious time. My opinion is that (1) his dad almost certainly doesn't have it (he doesn't have symptoms, so I don't know why the hospital ordered the test), and (2) with the full PPE precautions that are required for Covid right now, the odds of anything being transmitted are vanishingly low.

Tim talked to his rheumatologist today, who basically said the same thing: if Tim wears full PPE, he should be fine, if he really feels he needs to see his dad. (I don't like the way he worded "really feels he needs to see his dad" -- like, this is an end of life issue, sir. Yes, he needs to see his dad.)

Why does shit have to be so goddamn complicated all the fucking time? Just a tiny break would be nice, you know?