Anya, the Shopkeepers of America called. They wanted me to tell you that 'please go' just got replaced with 'have a nice day.'

Xander ,'Selfless'


Spike's Bitches 47: Someone Dangerous Could Get In  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Connie Neil - Nov 16, 2011 10:27:13 am PST #2919 of 30001
brillig

I wouldn't say that being with Hubby makes me want to be my best. I'm not aware of ever consciously considering it. But I will say that he's made me both braver and more cowardly, in that he's pushed me into doing things I didn't want to but I needed to, while at the same time I haven't done things because they would take me too far away from him.

I like to think that when the time comes I'll be able to stand on my own two feet, without him to hide behind/lean on, but at the moment, he is my (slightly crumbly) rock.


Burrell - Nov 16, 2011 10:28:05 am PST #2920 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

So if it doesn't change you, it wasn't a relationship?

I think you might be putting too much moral claim on the word "change" here. Or at least for myself, I think that not all relationships change a person. The ones that have changed me, well often that's another way of saying my life moved in a new direction because of that person. I think friendships can be as richly transformative as romantic relationships. It's like that song in "Wicked" about friendships, "I can't say if I've changed for the better, but I've been changed for good."


smonster - Nov 16, 2011 10:32:30 am PST #2921 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

Dear beloved boss: I know it's not your fault the goalposts keep moving, but I may lose my shit soon. Too. Much. To. Do.

Dear resigning coworker who gets off on being an abrasive arrogant hipster asshole: leave faster.


Beverly - Nov 16, 2011 10:40:09 am PST #2922 of 30001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

H and I have been together for...decades. I often refer to our relationship like two parallel lines on either side of a "center" that anchors our lives, lines that curve independently, are either closer or farther apart in proximity, either of us ahead or behind the other at given points in time. We were young (so young!) when we formed this alliance, and each of us has grown--as we would each have done, as we moved through young adulthood to maturity. But both of us have grown, too, in ways that mesh and ways that bring "otherness" to the relationship, ways that aren't about the other, but that we can share, that make us interesting. We grow, together and apart.

Each line reflects the other, and sometimes our lines curve inward toward each other and match in speed, and we travel in close and happy proximity for a "honeymoon" space. And sometimes one of us will diverge from center, far to the side, to explore strange new ideas. Sometimes one of us will lag, mired in old business, in sadness, in anger. But always, at some point, the lines begin to move forward, to pace each other, to move toward each other.

Even at the point we're farthest apart though, the lines reflect awareness of each other, knowledge of the other, a tether, a tug, a lifeline between us that provides an emotional tie, an assurance that we have been apart before, and will come together again.

I think I've flogged this metaphor long enough.


Burrell - Nov 16, 2011 10:43:55 am PST #2923 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Oops


Toddson - Nov 16, 2011 10:57:47 am PST #2924 of 30001
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

The one serious relationship I've been in persisted when - and only as long as - I suppressed a large portion of my personality. The part that comes out to play with the Buffistas. When I started growing up and letting that part of myself show, he hated it. And tried to force me back to being the person he wanted. It ended badly.


§ ita § - Nov 16, 2011 10:59:34 am PST #2925 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Or at least for myself, I think that not all relationships change a person.

That's quite simply my point. Which contradicts Scrappy and Laura's point.

I think you might be putting too much moral claim on the word "change" here

What does "moral claim" mean?


Atropa - Nov 16, 2011 11:02:15 am PST #2926 of 30001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Bev, I love your explanation and metaphor, and during some of the bad days, I cling to it.


Atropa - Nov 16, 2011 11:04:46 am PST #2927 of 30001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

To offer my own experience: Pete and I do try to change for each other. He's working on being less of a pessimist, I'm working on being less of a scatterbrain. And while there are days when I idly think about slipping Xanax into his coffee, or running away from everything for a life of crime, we love each other and make each other better than we would be alone. I can't really picture my life without him in it.


Scrappy - Nov 16, 2011 11:15:17 am PST #2928 of 30001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

I think all close relationships change you, ita. The deeper you let folks in, usually, the more the probability of change. My close friendships with women have changed me as well--even if it's just because I get regularly called on my shit.

What may be confusing you is that to me, "change" doesn't have to be huge. Jason hasn't turned me into a different person. I'm still me, but I am now a me who rides motorcycles and who has two dogs. Those are pretty obvious changes. The other sorts of changes are harder to quantify--I am less defensive because he spots it when I get that way and won't engage. He is very hard on himself and I know I give him a more realistic view of how he comes across.("You did not talk too much and I know he understood you were teasing him and is not angry with you").