I think the problem with dolphins is that they don't care so much about consent, really.
Damn, I left my smoothie in the car. And I'm too lazy to go get it before my three o'clock.
This girl at school? She told me that gelatin is made from ground-up cow's feet and that every time you eat Jell-O there's some cow out there limping around without any feet. But I told her that I'm sure the cow is dead before they cut its feet off, right?
Dawn ,'Never Leave Me'
Natter 68: Bork Bork Bork
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
§ ita § - Jun 02, 2011 12:46:23 pm PDT #10989 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
tommyrot - Jun 02, 2011 12:47:20 pm PDT #10990 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
Huh. Googling "sentient and consenting" (with the quotes) comes up with 816 results, mostly sci-fi-related.
Now I'm thinking there should be a porn site called sentientandconsenting.com....
Strix - Jun 02, 2011 12:52:46 pm PDT #10991 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger
I agree with the sentient and consenting rule, but if a person is a shapeshifter, and their non-human form is not sentient, then it's bestiality. Sex in the beast form, that is.
My standards, they are high.
§ ita § - Jun 02, 2011 12:58:12 pm PDT #10992 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
What if they gave you consent before they shifted into their non-sentient form?
-t - Jun 02, 2011 1:00:17 pm PDT #10993 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
But if you are both shapeshifters and have sex while you are both, say, wolves, that wouldn't be bestiality. I'd say.
I agree, bestiality does not apply when there is sentience for everyone involved (and communication of some sort - if you don't know the other party is sentient bestiality might still be an appropriate label).
tommyrot - Jun 02, 2011 1:01:29 pm PDT #10994 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
What if they gave you consent before they shifted into their non-sentient form?
Good question! Someone write Ann Landers.
Also, what if the species is sentient but they don't believe in free will, so "consent" is meaningless for them?
Toddson - Jun 02, 2011 1:02:43 pm PDT #10995 of 30001
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"
It seems part of the reason bestiality is considered immoral is that animals can't consent to sex with humans. Which is obviously not an issue with a sentient, consenting dolphin.
Drowning, however, is.
billytea - Jun 02, 2011 1:06:23 pm PDT #10996 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.
Dolphins are sentient. I think you mean sapient. (Or maybe consentient.)
DavidS - Jun 02, 2011 1:08:27 pm PDT #10997 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Dolphins are sentient. I think you mean sapient. (Or maybe consentient.)
Pssst, billytea thinks doll bins are salient. Pass it on...
billytea - Jun 02, 2011 1:08:35 pm PDT #10998 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.
Incidentally, my brother once sent me, for reasons best known to himself, a how-to guide on seducing a dolphin.