Whoa. Good myth.

Wash ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


Spike's Bitches 46: Don't I get a cookie?  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


§ ita § - Nov 18, 2010 8:17:38 am PST #8854 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Good Stuff Happened Today tumblr. Didn't Jesse post in Press about it?


WindSparrow - Nov 18, 2010 8:18:08 am PST #8855 of 30000
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

This whole conversation has made me very uncomfortable because there seems to be an unspoken assumption that Bonny is somehow entitled to this woman's friendship because of a relationship they've had in the past, and I really don't believe that's ever the case, in any relationship.

I don't believe that either, and I never made any such assumption. K. has just as much right to walk away as Bonny.

I think there is a misunderstanding. K. does indeed have the right to walk away. In some ways, I feel she has already done so, as evidenced by her move to another part of the country, and by her lack of follow-through on actually spending time with bonny since the move - particularly the way in which she kept bonny dangling re: a face-to-face visit while she was in town. Part of what we are trying to help bonny hash out, is how to end the uneven exchange of energies, how much bonny needs to explain herself to K., and what kind of obligation bonny has to keep lines of communication open. At least that is what I was seeing.


beekaytee - Nov 18, 2010 8:19:48 am PST #8856 of 30000
Compassionately intolerant

my mother, who understands that people feel differently than she does, she just thinks that they're wrong.

This made me laugh and laugh. Your mom sounds very familiar to me!

I wish I knew how to teach empathy. Are there any good resources on this?


smonster - Nov 18, 2010 8:21:17 am PST #8857 of 30000
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

I don't think you have to be good at reading other's emotions in order to empathize. I think they are complementary but not always paired.


tommyrot - Nov 18, 2010 8:24:36 am PST #8858 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I don't think you have to be good at reading other's emotions in order to empathize. I think they are complementary but not always paired.

Yeah, after thinking about it, I agree. I think I can be very empathetic if I know and understand the feeling the person is going through. But I often need to be told what the person is going through first.


lisah - Nov 18, 2010 8:28:21 am PST #8859 of 30000
Punishingly Intricate

I think I can be very empathetic if I know and understand the feeling the person is going through. But I often need to be told what the person is going through first.

Yes, exactly! Or someone could perfectly understand what another person is feeling and just not care.

I would think that learning how to read emotional signals would be similar to learning another language. That it would be way harder to do as you get older but not impossible.


meara - Nov 18, 2010 8:28:27 am PST #8860 of 30000

I have a hard time making eye-contact with people, so that's probably part of my problem right there.

personally, I always find myself looking at peoples' lips rather than eyes. Do most people look deeply into the eyes of someone they're talkin to?


Steph L. - Nov 18, 2010 8:30:21 am PST #8861 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

It can. But it's not easy, and it's not enjoyable.

How does one learn that?

Um. Believe it or not, I don't want to turn this conversation, which has been about someone else and her needs, into one that's all memememe. (I say "believe it or not," because I do tend to turn everything into My Life And How This Topic Affects Me. I am aware of that.)

I'm also having a hard time finding the words to explain it, partly because it makes me sound like a sociopath (which, hey, maybe I am).


tommyrot - Nov 18, 2010 8:32:40 am PST #8862 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Do most people look deeply into the eyes of someone they're talkin to?

I don't. So I never notice people's eye color.


lisah - Nov 18, 2010 8:34:10 am PST #8863 of 30000
Punishingly Intricate

Do most people look deeply into the eyes of someone they're talkin to?

Not the whole time cuz that's creepy!