These girls have the most beautiful dresses. And so do I -- how about that?

Kaylee ,'Shindig'


Spike's Bitches 46: Don't I get a cookie?  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Steph L. - Sep 28, 2010 2:33:25 pm PDT #4417 of 30000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I think I don't know enough about childhood development to hold up my end of the conversation. I believe people should be able to dress however they want, but I don't know in what way how a child is perceived effects how they mature.

Well, not only is my problem with the effects on children's maturity, but also on the overall effect on society. I think that sexy costumes for little girls creates a world in which sexualized children become more and more "normal." Not quickly, but over time. And that, too, is dangerous. And unsafe.


§ ita § - Sep 28, 2010 2:36:01 pm PDT #4418 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Very much what Steph is saying. Premature sexualisation of girls especially is bad for everyone, not just the girls.


Liese S. - Sep 28, 2010 2:38:14 pm PDT #4419 of 30000
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Yup, not to pile on, but I agree here.

Also, it's difficult for kids to make decisions about stuff that's sexualized for themselves, because they don't always have a clear understanding of what that means.

Like me grinding on the dance floor. Because I had no clue how that motion translated to sexuality, I didn't really realize that I was projecting a sexual image, only that it was a dance move I'd seen done by older dancers I admired.


Trudy Booth - Sep 28, 2010 2:40:07 pm PDT #4420 of 30000
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

People who sexualize children will do it regardless though. I wish I had a link to the article but I read once, several years ago, about pedophiles frequently being busted and detectives finding videotapes of old Flipper episodes. They had complete sets, were selling and trading them, etc. Sandy and Bud running around barefoot and in cutoffs were very sexy to these men.

It's not what the kids wear that sexualizes them, its the pervert who thinks kids are sexy.


Trudy Booth - Sep 28, 2010 2:45:31 pm PDT #4421 of 30000
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Also, it's difficult for kids to make decisions about stuff that's sexualized for themselves, because they don't always have a clear understanding of what that means.

Like me grinding on the dance floor. Because I had no clue how that motion translated to sexuality, I didn't really realize that I was projecting a sexual image, only that it was a dance move I'd seen done by older dancers I admired.

But its NOT sexual if a little kid is doing it, its a dance step. As a kid gets older and their body developes its a dance step that warrants a discussion and some consideration.

I think about my friends the Is. Huge Cuban family, wonderful parties, those four year olds dance rings around me. Those kids do shit with their hips I only dream of doing -- but since they're four year olds its clear they're just doing dance steps. As they become teens the tone starts to shift and when they're adults its sexy as hell -- but they're still dancing at a family party. It's sexy but clearly it isn't a pick-up scene. Context matters. My friend M isn't trying to nail her uncle -- hell, she's Lesbian -- that's just how you do the dance.


Laga - Sep 28, 2010 2:54:54 pm PDT #4422 of 30000
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I don't think putting a sexy outfit on a non-sexual being sexualizes them. I think it's how you behave when dressed that way that determines whether or not you're sexy. But I'm the first to admit I don't see the world the way most others do.

I can't decide if I think society is heading in a dangerous direction. I know I want to read more before I'll be able to form a solid opinion. But I do believe society's path is largely uncontrollable by the individual. I was trying to think of a metaphor and I was working on how you can influence the shape of a river but you can't really change where it's headed. Then I remembered I'm from Chicago and I laughed and laughed.


Zenkitty - Sep 28, 2010 3:03:27 pm PDT #4423 of 30000
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I don't think putting a sexy outfit on a non-sexual being sexualizes them.

Sexy remains in the eye of the beholder, but there are some beholders whose eyes we don't want to encourage.


Scrappy - Sep 28, 2010 3:07:08 pm PDT #4424 of 30000
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

It may not sexualize them, but it does attract the sexual gaze. And you can say pedophiles will gaze nonetheless, but dressing in a sexual way can be read as an invitation.


Trudy Booth - Sep 28, 2010 3:12:58 pm PDT #4425 of 30000
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

But its not an invitation. They're sick and they're making shit up.


Laga - Sep 28, 2010 3:13:19 pm PDT #4426 of 30000
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I'm uncomfortable with the idea that how you dress can get you into trouble therefore you should watch how you dress. But I can't say I disagree with Dave Chappelle.