Zoe: Next time we smuggle stock, let's make it something smaller. Wash: Yeah, we should start dealing in those black-market beagles.

'Safe'


Spike's Bitches 46: Don't I get a cookie?  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Zenkitty - Sep 28, 2010 3:03:27 pm PDT #4423 of 30000
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I don't think putting a sexy outfit on a non-sexual being sexualizes them.

Sexy remains in the eye of the beholder, but there are some beholders whose eyes we don't want to encourage.


Scrappy - Sep 28, 2010 3:07:08 pm PDT #4424 of 30000
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

It may not sexualize them, but it does attract the sexual gaze. And you can say pedophiles will gaze nonetheless, but dressing in a sexual way can be read as an invitation.


Trudy Booth - Sep 28, 2010 3:12:58 pm PDT #4425 of 30000
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

But its not an invitation. They're sick and they're making shit up.


Laga - Sep 28, 2010 3:13:19 pm PDT #4426 of 30000
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I'm uncomfortable with the idea that how you dress can get you into trouble therefore you should watch how you dress. But I can't say I disagree with Dave Chappelle.


Aims - Sep 28, 2010 3:13:41 pm PDT #4427 of 30000
Shit's all sorts of different now.

I don't think putting a sexy outfit on a non-sexual being sexualizes them. I think it's how you behave when dressed that way that determines whether or not you're sexy.

I tend to agreee with this, however I also think that there is sometimes not enough parental involvement in decisions such as what kids are wearing. I'm sorry - there is NO OTHER REASON your 13 year old is putting on a micro-mini skirt, thigh high stockings, and platform "hooker" shoes than to be "sexy". Nevermind the just "off the corner" make up. Age doesn't mean much about whether or not a kid is sexualized. Girls in particular are developing breasts and hips earlier (it seems) and therefore a 10 year old in a sexy Halloween costume is going to look sexy, regardless if she;s in the 4th grade or not.

I tend to not Our basic rule for Halloween costumes was that if it didn't adhere to the school dress code, then you couldn't wear it. Or, if your grandparent's wouldn't approve of it, then it's a big jolly no.

Then again, I'm a parent that is of the opinion that says, "These are the clothes I bought you, you will wear them. And if you buy clothes, and I don't like them, you still don't get to wear them." so I might be a little extreme on this.


Barb - Sep 28, 2010 3:23:51 pm PDT #4428 of 30000
“Not dead yet!”

Skippity skip skip skipping like a bad Buffista (I have a house guest at the moment, so I've been scarce) but wanted to update y'all on the crazycakes.

I have an AWESOME lawyer-- who is actually an IP/Trademark specialist and is seriously sharp. Anyhow, he sent me an email today with some preliminary thoughts and advice and this paragraph made me chuckle like a fiend:

I think you would both want to avoid using [FIRST NAME] alone--partly because it is, for your audience, a common name, whose use could invite confusion with other [FIRST NAMES], or simply cause you to be lost in a crowd. I think it is even more important to you, since your work has been honored with awards and appears to be more prestigious, and it would not benefit you to be associated with (or mistaken for) her, or to have her mistakenly identified as the author who has received the accolades that in fact are yours.

::snicker::

This fill me with unreasonable glee since he based this assessment not so much on anything I told him, but on what he uncovered via a web search.


Cashmere - Sep 28, 2010 3:25:12 pm PDT #4429 of 30000
Now tagless for your comfort.

I believe people should be able to dress however they want

I know kids are technically people but I think they're people-in-training. My kids don't always make the best sartorial choices--which doesn't bug me too much BUT as a parent, I have to draw the line somewhere. I don't let them wear tank tops and flip flops during winter because it's not comfortable or safe for them. Neither is putting them into an outfit which lets others perceive them as sexual.

Yes, it's the others' problem--either sick or perverted that lets them picture children as sexual beings but until the child is old enough to deal with the fallout from how society perceives them by what they're wearing, I will make some of those choices for them.


Trudy Booth - Sep 28, 2010 3:27:36 pm PDT #4430 of 30000
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

It's not that I think sexualization isn't a mine field with young teens. It is. There is shit my kid wouldn't be wearing to school. Once she's old enough there are dance routines and cheer routines I'd have serious reservations about. I don't want her to think her only worth is as the object of a sexual gaze.

At the same time I want her to feel good about her body and her sexuality. I don't want her to have to wait until she's in her late twenties and with a gang of internet friends before she's comfortable wearing a corset.

I think Halloween is a good way to start to figure these things out. If she's portraying a character that is sexy she can start to explore her feelings an other people's reactions in a limited context.


Atropa - Sep 28, 2010 3:27:59 pm PDT #4431 of 30000
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Yes, it's the others' problem--either sick or perverted that lets them picture children as sexual beings but until the child is old enough to deal with the fallout from how society perceives them by what they're wearing, I will make some of those choices for them.

Reposting this, because it's very, very important.


Atropa - Sep 28, 2010 3:29:03 pm PDT #4432 of 30000
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

I think Halloween is a good way to start to figure these things out. If she's portraying a character that is sexy she can start to explore her feelings an other people's reactions in a limited context.

Yes, as long as, as you said, there's some active parenting going on, and there are discussions about "Okay, why do you want *that* particular costume?" and "Here are some of the reactions you might get, don't be taken by surprise".