Hell, I don't know. If I had wanted schooling, I'da gone to school.

Jayne ,'Ariel'


Natter 65: Speed Limit Enforced by Aircraft  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


bon bon - Apr 26, 2010 8:19:49 pm PDT #25358 of 30001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Well, here's an article from, of all places, the American Conservative, refuting the view that hispanics in general have a higher crime rate: [link] I'm re-skimming it to see if they have the exact statistic on crime by illegal immigrants. What it does note is that the data, such as it is, is probably incorrect:

The major difficulty with the study’s evidence is that while prisons have an easy time gathering ethnicity data, determining the immigration status of convicts is far more difficult, and is generally based on self-reporting. Not surprisingly, most convicted felons are not eager to reveal their lack of citizenship and then face deportation once their sentences are completed, so the numbers must be taken with a grain of salt. In fact, a November 2009 paper by Steven A. Camarota and Jessica M. Vaughan for the Center for Immigration Studies raised serious doubts about the accuracy of these federal immigrant-imprisonment statistics, both based on the doubtful methodology employed and the huge, anomalous swings that occur on an ongoing basis.7 For example, the official data seems to show a 28 percent decline in the number of incarcerated immigrants between 1990 and 2000, even as the total number of immigrants grew 59 percent, then a sudden 146 percent rise in incarcerated immigrants from 2000 to 2007, a period when immigrant numbers grew only 22 percent.

If you want a quick and dirty metric for the effect of illegal immigration on crime, note that crime rates in Los Angeles are at 1960s levels, regardless of the rate of illegal immigration. Crime is down precipitously nationwide as well.


Trudy Booth - Apr 26, 2010 8:22:56 pm PDT #25359 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

NYC has lots of illegal Irish. Nobody seems to be freaking out about them.

It must be because they're overstaying visas instead of sneaking in. Right?


Connie Neil - Apr 26, 2010 8:29:25 pm PDT #25360 of 30001
brillig

The problem in Utah is exacerbated by the frequency of local news to feature people with Hispanic last names as the perps in violent crimes, and I've never been able to find out if it's a bias in reporting or a true reflection of what's happening out there. In Utah, the assumption is that the "good" white folks "don't do that sort of thing."


shrift - Apr 26, 2010 8:35:20 pm PDT #25361 of 30001
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

My mom's been having a pretty rough time caring for her mom lately. I'm trying to think of something nice to do for her, aside from maybe conspiring with my sister to make a surprise visit. (And bringing my Nubar collection with me, if I can make it up to Michigan that weekend.)


Trudy Booth - Apr 26, 2010 8:42:36 pm PDT #25362 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

The problem in Utah is exacerbated by the frequency of local news to feature people with Hispanic last names as the perps in violent crimes, and I've never been able to find out if it's a bias in reporting or a true reflection of what's happening out there. In Utah, the assumption is that the "good" white folks "don't do that sort of thing."

I think that's sort of always the question.

Along with "are you enforcing laws more stringently with yer brown folks" (Is the "Oh but they're such nice kids! They just made a mistake!" available to all high school students? Hmm?) the two go a long way towards how crime is percieved.


Burrell - Apr 26, 2010 8:43:25 pm PDT #25363 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

shrift, I think a weekend visit would be a great idea. She might need time to just decompress and having you two there to care for her mother, or a to provide a good excuse to go on an outing, would be thoughtful.


Strix - Apr 26, 2010 8:46:47 pm PDT #25364 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

If your mom's the type, a spa gift certificate? Or, if her mom is at home with her, a gift of a service coming into clean the house over?

A visit from the Peapod or drugstore.com fairies for staples? Certificate to a favorite restaurant/take-out place, with a B&N certificate if she likes to read? A gas card?

A bottle of her favorite wine, some lavender oil, 2 valium and an Ambien?


javachik - Apr 26, 2010 8:47:18 pm PDT #25365 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

White privilege is thinking "what a scumbag" when another white person commits a crime without having to worrying what reflection and effect it will have upon other white people. Every single time a black person in Oakland (my town) commits a crime, I wince; it just allows people who harbor prejudices to keep their bullshit ideas going.


Strix - Apr 26, 2010 8:48:43 pm PDT #25366 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

(Is the "Oh but they're such nice kids! They just made a mistake!" available to all high school students? Hmm?)

Yes, you always need to turn the situation around and see how it's played. Does that shoe pinch if it's on the other foot, hmm? Then maybe, juuuussstt maybe, it ain't fair.


shrift - Apr 26, 2010 8:52:52 pm PDT #25367 of 30001
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

That's not a bad idea, Burrell. I talked with her for a long time last night, and having an extra pair of non-judgmental hands for a weekend wouldn't hurt.

(And I don't think I've mentioned it here because it's early days yet, but I'm going to be an aunt again come December!)

If your mom's the type, a spa gift certificate?

Maybe a massage would help. I give her B&N gift certificates often because the women in my family do like to read, but she hasn't got much time for that lately. But having help with grandma may be the best thing I can give her right now.