Snerk, Jon.
An emotionally mature person wouldn't try to make someone, is my feeling.
Well, you'd better not be thinking what I think you're thinking, because my answer is the same as always — no threesomes unless it's boy-boy-girl. Or Charlize Theron.
Harmony ,'First Date'
Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers
TV, movies, web media--this thread is the home for any Joss projects that don't already have their own threads, such as Dr. Horrible.
Scrappy - Apr 29, 2009 11:03:06 am PDT #1446 of 5827
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.
Jon B. - Apr 29, 2009 11:05:08 am PDT #1447 of 5827
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
An emotionally mature person wouldn't try to make someone, is my feeling.
There's that, yes.
beth b - Apr 29, 2009 11:05:29 am PDT #1448 of 5827
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!
That's true
victor infante - Apr 29, 2009 11:40:44 am PDT #1449 of 5827
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
and emotionally immature. Given that he can make anyone he wants, he chooses someone who plays video games and laser tags and loves junk food.
I was going to agree, but then I realized I was posting on a "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" posting board, and realized I probably shouldn't throw stones. IJS. (:
An emotionally mature person wouldn't try to make someone, is my feeling.
Well, there is that. And while I agree (my own joke aside) that Topher's immature, that's not an adjective I'd throw at Adelle, and she made herself the perfect lover for a few repeate engagements. But again, the sex didn't seem to be the priority there, either. It's the loneliness and alienation.
Make no mistake, I think the Dollhouse is evil, and that most of our protaganists here are villains. But I appreciate that it takes a toll on them.
Liese S. - Apr 29, 2009 11:53:40 am PDT #1450 of 5827
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."
Make no mistake, I think the Dollhouse is evil, and that most of our protaganists here are villains. But I appreciate that it takes a toll on them.
Yeah, this. I have no thoughts on the recent ep as I'm on the road, but overall, definitely this.
Kevin - Apr 29, 2009 1:57:20 pm PDT #1451 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.
The original pitch was the Dollhouse was good from Joss, but FOX wanted it to be evilish, so it changed as they went along. It's covered in that interview I linked a few pages ago.
I think we all use each other in life. The Sierra/Topher thing made me cry for this reason: I just spent the weekend messing around (erm, not that kind of messing around) with the actress, Dichen Lachman, in the UK. 'cos I paid for the experience at a convention. And then she went away. And I sit here, in my flat, alone. It was a curious feeling.
Kristen - Apr 29, 2009 2:12:54 pm PDT #1452 of 5827
The original pitch was the Dollhouse was good from Joss, but FOX wanted it to be evilish, so it changed as they went along.
So was there no sex with dolls in the original plan?
Kevin - Apr 29, 2009 2:31:53 pm PDT #1453 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.
There was sex.
§ ita § - Apr 29, 2009 2:33:22 pm PDT #1454 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I'd like to see how that would be handled with having the Dollhouse still being good. Isn't the sex part where most people think is the Dollhouse at its worst?
Kevin - Apr 29, 2009 2:45:20 pm PDT #1455 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.
Given the amount of men who use brothels throughout history and buy Maxim, no?
I don't think the good or bad thing comes out of sex per say, I think it's about the Dollhouse's intentions. What is the goal of the Dollhouse as a worldwide organisation? Is it really 'just' fantasy?
I do think Dollhouse has clearly had the angles that as a society and personally we use each other - Paul and Mellie in the last episode being a classic example - and that 'perversion' is often best shared. With layers of self justification thrown on top. I don't think there's anything wrong with Topher hiring Sierra to hang around with. I mean, it's sad, but it's better than being lonely.