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Tom Scola - Apr 13, 2010 8:19:55 am PDT #7581 of 30000
hwæt

As for the race stuff--if Avatar: The Last Airbender is supposed to be all Asian, Asgard is supposed to be all white.

There weren't any Asians at all in the original casting of Airbender.


§ ita § - Apr 13, 2010 8:21:33 am PDT #7582 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Even Othello?

I think interesting things can be done by manipulating the race of the casting of Othello.

There weren't any Asians at all in the original casting of Airbender.

I know. It's why I brought racebending up in the first place.


lisah - Apr 13, 2010 8:28:05 am PDT #7583 of 30000
Punishingly Intricate

I think I'm just now realizing that Avatar the James Cameron movie and Avatar: The Last Airbender that had the problem with controversial casting are not the same thing.

I knew I shouldn't have let my Entertainment Weekly subscription lapse! I don't know anything anymore.


Volans - Apr 13, 2010 8:49:17 am PDT #7584 of 30000
move out and draw fire

I've just been cranky about casting in The Lightning Thief.

I mean, one way to look at it is "this kid wears a hoodie and magic athletic shoes, let's make him black!" And another way to look at it is "this kid's a satyr, and closer to nature...let's make him black!" And a third way to look at it is "this kid's a coward, let's make him black!"

Why couldn't Athena's daughter be the one they cast black?

(Except yes, I realize that the satyr was probably black in the books, what with the rasta hat and all).


DavidS - Apr 13, 2010 8:54:03 am PDT #7585 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Raq, I prefer to think of the casting from the actor's perspective.

They want more opportunities and to play a variety of roles, including cowardly villains.

That seems better than to try and control all the positive role models aspects.

It's sort of like the old complaint that minorities only got cast as aliens in science fiction series. Maybe so, and that's problematic, however from the actor's POV it's better to be able to play Worf and that character's story. Especially since a lot of the options for minority actors range from whore to gangster.


Aims - Apr 13, 2010 9:11:01 am PDT #7586 of 30000
Shit's all sorts of different now.

I mean, one way to look at it is "this kid wears a hoodie and magic athletic shoes, let's make him black!" And another way to look at it is "this kid's a satyr, and closer to nature...let's make him black!" And a third way to look at it is "this kid's a coward, let's make him black!"

Couldn't there also be a fourth way to look at it? Like, "Hi kid - which role do you want to play?" "This one." "Ok, audition for it." and then he does and he gets it?

That's not to say that sometimes there aren't nefarious things going on, but couldn't there also NOT be?


§ ita § - Apr 13, 2010 9:19:51 am PDT #7587 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Maybe so, and that's problematic, however from the actor's POV it's better to be able to play Worf and that character's story.

Better to be able to play Worf than Picard? Or Crusher? Why?


Jessica - Apr 13, 2010 9:29:09 am PDT #7588 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

That's not to say that sometimes there aren't nefarious things going on, but couldn't there also NOT be?

I wouldn't necessarily say "nefarious" but my understanding is that there is almost ALWAYS a "we need a minority - which characters can we make the black guy?" meeting.


quester - Apr 13, 2010 9:29:15 am PDT #7589 of 30000
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

Better to be able to play Worf than Picard? Or Crusher? Why?

Because Picard and Crusher were boring and Worf had a far richer character history?


§ ita § - Apr 13, 2010 9:33:36 am PDT #7590 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Because Picard and Crusher were boring and Worf had a far richer character history?

Worf had one, very guttural, note. Crusher, yeah, boring, but I don't think she was more boring than Worf, save he got fight scenes.

Picard, OTOH, got screen time. He got to count lights, and play the flute. Data got to explore the nature of humanity. I hated Data, but he definitely had "stuff" to work with. Worf, not much of a challenge.