My dad doesn't get anything remotely scary or paranormal -- it's just not his thing. I doubt I could get him to sit through SPN. My mom totally would, but then she would natter away with questions and I would have to cut her, which would be unfortunate.

While she was recovering from a knee replacement years ago I tried to get her into Buffy, and she almost fell. Then she discovered Charmed on TNT and watched the whole freaking series. Sigh. She does know not to call Thursdays between 9 and 10, though.

Oh, and Theresa, JDM's last two visits to Craig have been hysterical. You can find them on YouTube. They flirt and goof -- last time they wound up improvising some ridiculous scene and had JDM sitting up on the back of his chair.

I tried to get my sister into it, because I try to get my sister into all my fannish stuff (she now defaults to trying the Jossverse just to shut me up), and she flat out refuses. Saw some stuff, loved the idea, found out they were brothers and therefore no smexing, and she was outtathere.

I mean, she'll watch with me, she'll send me links to promos and vids and picspams, but she refuses to get interested on her own. She's so bound with what she watches. Two good looking guys she can't slash is too much stress for her. And she has my Wincest issues.

However, she's probably the most educated non-SPN fan out there, because she's very patient with me. In return, I know way too much about Chryed and Argentinian soaps.

I am possibly canonically dumb, but it's only occurring to me now that she's probably why the brotherly bond gets me so much. I don't know if we're overly close compared to other siblings, but she still gives me credit for partially raising her, although I take none whatsoever. I experimented on her, and it didn't turn out too badly. Unlike Dean, I had (two) sane and present parents, and read lots of childrearing books starting when she was born.

You know, that probably would have helped Dean. I found How Children Fail and How Children Succeed very interesting reading when I was playing with her head. And, really, he was more altruistic than I ever was.

I'm amazed that I got S. into it. And Angel, although Buffy only to a much lesser extent. He loves SPN now, which surprises me because he is not a sci fi person at all, although he did read a good deal of horror in his day.

The funny thing is, when I separate myself from an actual episode, and open the door to fic world, you can sell me on Wincest. Watching the show? The canon? I don't really see it. I see two brothers dysfunctionally attached by a completely fucked up childhood, and I like it that way. But I also didn't really open my eyes to slash until very recently, so it's not (or wasn't) a natural inclination to me. I think Angel and Spike pinged me once in a while, but that seemed to be a whole indulgent, hedonistic vampire thing at the time. Ah, my lost innocence.

I also never experimented on my brother. But he's only three years younger than me. I just bossed him around a lot and used him as a convenient playmate until about fourth grade when I had more friends of my own in the neighborhood and little brothers became icky.

I forgot to say, too, I would be amazed if Dean even knows he was a surrogate parent, much less mom figure for Sam. The behavior and the attachment bear it out, but I'm not sure he would acknowledge that role, simply because I'm not sure he would believe he could actually fill it.

My mother, who will turn 70 in July, has every Buffy and Angel DVD set. Watches the reruns on TV and quotes them randomly in conversation. Loves Firefly and Serenity. Actively tries to convert people into Browncoats. On the other hand, if my father were still alive there's no way in hell he'd watch any of them. Mom's oldest brother and his wife are also big fans of the Whedonverse. And she watches Supernatural every week with me. But I completely avoid the topic of wincest with her.

I read wincest. I enjoy a lot of it. But for me it's a fanfic issue; I don't see it in the show. In the show I see two brothers who are really close, which I love, but no I don't see the camera fading to black and the two of them humping madly like bunnies. Fiction yes, canon no. My brain is capable of separating the two spheres.

I'm almost four years older than my sister, and the minute my parents explained my mother's bump to me I was all "Ooh! Evil scientist time!" I'm not going to say I understood the books I was reading, but I read very early and was voraciously reading child development books when they were honestly still talking about me, and trying to leverage what I could parse out of them onto her.

I poked and prodded her wee brain and tried to make her turn out the way I wanted her to. Jury's out on my actual success, because she's batshit crazy, but she's brilliant too. I'm proud of the little sis.

I spent a lot of time with her and her friends throughout school, all the way into University, and often shepherded them around.

The behavior and the attachment bear it out, but I'm not sure he would acknowledge that role, simply because I'm not sure he would believe he could actually fill it.

It would be fascinating if Sam came to that realisation before Dean did. It's interesting to think of Dean just doing what Dean thought had to be done--even if the circumstances weren't normal, it was just necessary. I hadn't really thought about it that way. I'd considered him more conscious in that role, but when you talk about the self-esteem aspect of acknowledging it, I can see that angle too.

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My brain is capable of separating the two spheres.

My brain, NSM. I scream about the little things "He only loved Cassie!" so the bigger things make my logic centres jump up and down and go ballistic.

I'd considered him more conscious in that role, but when you talk about the self-esteem aspect of acknowledging it, I can see that angle too.

Well, "mother" was revered. I can't see him ever thinking he could replace her, even if that's what he was, in fact, doing. And until very recently, "father" was, if not always revered, kind of "all" to him, so I can't see him believing he would be worthy of that.

He did what had to be done, because he loved Sam, and because his father charged him with the job. In the beginning, I'm sure caring for Sam had more to do with pleasing John than actual fondness for a toddler, a preschooler, etc. (I mean, he was just a kid, after all, and one who had his own wants -- the sweet cereal, playing video games, etc.).

Which is not to say he didn't come to love Sam for who Sam was later, because I think he absolutely did.

the minute my parents explained my mother's bump to me I was all "Ooh! Evil scientist time!"

I was much more selfish. "Ooh! Someone to play student to my teacher!" Which he very willingly did for a long time.

My brain is capable of separating the two spheres.

I'm sorry. Rereading, that sentence sounds bitchy. I just always feel like I have to justify reading wincest -- no, I'm not a pervert who thinks real-life siblings should act like that. I can tell the difference between fictional characters in a fictional universe hunting supernatural creatures who had a dysfunctional upbringing and are abnormally close. (Don't judge me!) So anyway, that's where the bitchiness comes from. Wasn't aimed at you.

and the minute my parents explained my mother's bump to me I was all "Ooh! Evil scientist time!"

I was bummed when my sister's twins turned out to be fraternal. They were no longer ideal test subjects.

My dad doesn't get anything remotely scary or paranormal

My mom doesn't at ALL. And she'll be here next week. Well, technically, she'll be here Saturday, but she doesn't impact my tv time until Thurs, so... Still, she knows to just give me the tv on Thursdays and go read a book in her room.

But fraternal twins are excellent test subjects for womb-sharing vs. genetics.

They've got my sister and b-i-l as parents. They're kinda screwed either way.