I hesitate to use the words physical abuse, because I was hit as a child and I don't feel physically abused. But I understand it's a much more volatile issue in the US.

Does being put together by a Cupid mean you're a soulmate, or does it mean it doesn't matter? Their love story is already totally weirded out for me, and I hurt for Dean especially who was working to enshrine it.

I still feel the soulmate comment was for Sam and Dean, but it could apply to them too.

Not for nothing, but I think there has to be a way of moderating a forum that does not necessitate that kind of heavy handedness.

Has to be.

Having gotten a chance to read some of the posts before they've been deleted (because that's how far they go), I don't know if there's reasoning with the fans in question.

I read, because I am consuming Supernatural-related content willy nilly right now, but even with the moderation it's really clear that a fair number of posters would prefer the show to have only one brother on it. It radiates off the Dean and Sam threads, it radiates off the JA and JP threads, it's just wrapped up in the subtext of so much of the place. If they didn't mandate it, I can't imagine how much discussion volume it would consume, and how overtly ugly it would get, instead of the de facto tension that exists now.

When I call myself a DeanGirl here, it's really nothing. I would not pass their entrance examination.

I absolutely fail to get that one-sided way of looking at the show. It's like not looking at the show at all. I mean, how can you not hate the show we're getting?

Dean's rose-colored glasses were stripped away with not just Sam's but his own memories in Heaven. I'm struggling to understand what that means for him.

While Zachariah was messing with his head in the end, his own initial mom memory prompted his statement that things were not ideal in John/Mary-land.

I just hope out of this stripping away of illusions, will come the realization that despite everything Sam still loves him. Love is messy and complicated.

I think everyone has that defining moment when their parents fall off their pedestal. It's just especially brutal and coming very late for Dean.

ETA: Sorry this is sort off subject to TWOP, just still processing everything in my head.

it's really clear that a fair number of posters would prefer the show to have only one brother on it.

::boggles::

still processing everything in my head.

me too!

Despite the arguing right before Zacharia showed up, the minute he did, the boys were a team again. Working together is in their blood and happens without even thinking about it.

I so totally wanted that dog to be one of Jared's dogs.

I haven't rewatched yet. I kinda want to watch alone and it will be a while before I have the apartment to myself again.

I did have a couple of other thoughts re. the timing of the John-Mary fight. One, Sam was no doubt still an infant, so whatever blew up, it had to have been bad enough for John to leave not just his wife and four-year-old son, but his newborn son for a few days.

Summer dress, so figure Sam's a few months old, and the two kid stress + the YED for Mary (stuff bugging her she won't talk about) leads to John going AWOL. You should write that! So I can read it!

Wasn't Sam born in November? Or October? Or is that just when he was six months old?

Sam was born in May.

On the second of May. Like in that Placebo song that's been my Sam and Dean theme for ages. (The Bitter End. For the record)