Yeah, that preview sucked. I couldn't understand a word that was being said. The only thing I really got from it was Pray/Prey and the angels were being mean to humans again.
I can hurt a demon!! That's right. I'm back. And I'm a BLOODY ANIMAL!
Spike ,'Showtime'
Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?
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SailAweigh - Apr 01, 2010 5:02:23 pm PDT #6699 of 30002
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb
Theresa - Apr 01, 2010 5:11:40 pm PDT #6700 of 30002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"
the angels were being mean to humans again.
Must be Thursday.
Amy - Apr 01, 2010 5:14:39 pm PDT #6701 of 30002
Because books.
The previews are on crank, dude. I can never tell what the hell is going on.
I'm going to have to rewatch this episode about a billion times over the weekend.
Morgana - Apr 01, 2010 5:16:16 pm PDT #6702 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber
Okay, someone talk me down about the amulet being thrown away, because right now I'm just reading it as Dean being pissy all over again about Sam abandoning him (oh woe!) to go to college. I never got the impression that Dean was all that invested in the amulet as a magikal God-tracking GPS, and for years it was a tangible sign of the bond between the brothers. Him tossing it seemed like a deliberate slap in the face to Sam, rather than an existential "God has abandoned us and we no longer need a way to find him" move. Please convince me that Dean is not once again retreating to the boneheaded "you don't love me because you dared to go to college" stance in the midst of an apocalypse, particularly since I thought they got past this about 3 years ago.
SailAweigh - Apr 01, 2010 5:21:02 pm PDT #6703 of 30002
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb
Yeah, but I think that since every single one of Sam's favorite memories had to do with leaving Dean behind, Dean's feeling kinda pissy. Those are Sam's strongest memories right this minute and not one of them includes Dean.
tiggy - Apr 01, 2010 5:25:50 pm PDT #6704 of 30002
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore
this whole episode broke my heart.
Theresa - Apr 01, 2010 5:28:23 pm PDT #6705 of 30002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"
Those are Sam's strongest memories right this minute and not one of them includes Dean.
And some of them are memories that were actually very painful for Dean so it's even a deeper cut.
They both slapped each other this episode. Sam's wasn't intentional though. If my head is spinning, I think Dean should be given a few moments pass on being pissy. I knew Mary wasn't really Mary and yet that was still too painful to watch her being so mean. Dean is pissed about a lot of things. I think the amulet was tainted by the God in Dean's eyes.
Amy - Apr 01, 2010 5:30:42 pm PDT #6706 of 30002
Because books.
I don't think Dean is being "pissy" at all. He's despairing. And Joshua called him on it -- he's losing faith in everything, himself and Sam included.
No, he never thought it was a magical amulet, it was purely sentimental. But he just came out of a heaven that drove home just how false some of his memories were, and he even admitted it. He said to Sam that John and Mary's marriage was only perfect after she died, and I don't think he'd have let himself admit that aloud before now.
It's hardly him being petulant. He's broken, again, some more, and he's symbolically letting go of memories that he knows he embellished just to soothe himself.
Morgana - Apr 01, 2010 5:30:43 pm PDT #6707 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber
Those are Sam's strongest memories right this minute and not one of them includes Dean.
It started with a Sam and Dean memory, though. And Dean had a memory that didn't include Sam. Dean really, really has issues with not letting Sam "establish an independent identity" or whatever the psychologists would call it. If Sam had stayed home and not gone to college, Dean probably would have smothered him. He would have done it with love every step of the way, but he would have suffocated him.
§ ita § - Apr 01, 2010 8:07:51 pm PDT #6708 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Wow, that was unremittingly painful.
I think Dean is blind right now, and can't see that Sam cares, and that's why he threw the amulet away. It's not just Sam, but it's definitely got Sam in it. He's isolated--from Sam, from everyone. He caved and prayed, and God rejected him. His idyllic home memories weren't that. Castiel's probably off beginning his fall and is of no use to anyone. Bobby has been gotten to by Lucifer.
Michael's the closest to anything he's got right now. I think he's gonna be saying yes, and it may not have anything to do with Sam saying yes to Lucifer. He will probably think he's the only one that can fix it and that no one else can help, because he doesn't trust them anymore--but he'll still feel responsible for them.
He didn't hear when Ash said that soulmates find each other in heaven, as he and Sam sat there. He didn't see Sam wince with every blow Zach's henchman dealt him. His very first heavenly memory was of being hugged by Sam.
I know there are meta reasons, but it's still narratively interesting that John doesn't figure directly into their heavens.