For me, though, and I know I'm holding up the minority here, misogyny is "hatred of women". For me, it's not misogynistic of Dean to compare Anna to another female character who went homicidal, it's just ... a similarity.

Are you saying he should have compared her to the Terminator or something male instead?

it's a very Dean line. He's pretty genderfail-y.

No, he's a feminist. I read that on the Internet, so it must be true.

Actually, I really don't like it from Dean. I think the line fails him more than it fails Anna, because if I take it at face value, he sees her as a former sexual partner gone crazy for no reason (or out of jealousy). And that reflects more on him than it does on her. Yes, it's a betrayal, but not of the beautiful special love they shared, or anything. Woman has a mission that's bigger than sex.

But I didn't get the impression that Show was calling her a bunny boiler.

I think too many of their throwaway lines are fratboy. Period. In Sam, Interrupted, it was practically a quip-fest for Dean, which can make him come off as too cartoonish.

Actually, I really don't like it from Dean. I think the line fails him more than it fails Anna, because if I take it at face value, he sees her as a former sexual partner gone crazy for no reason (or out of jealousy). And that reflects more on him than it does on her. Yes, it's a betrayal, but not of the beautiful special love they shared, or anything. Woman has a mission that's bigger than sex.

Agreed.

For me, though, and I know I'm holding up the minority here, misogyny is "hatred of women".

I would say that, while I usually see their fail as more along the paternalistic sexism lines, in this case, for the above reasons ita stated, it's showing a character as having a certain unflattering contempt for women, which they've done increasingly since S3, and which I'd rather they dialled back.

SHOW!!!

JOHN!!

(sorry, still in my happy place)

Hee! JOHN! SAM! MARY!

CREEPY MICHAEL!JOHN! EVEN CREEPIER THAN YED!JOHN!

The timing of this episode with the TNT episodes is pretty great. Getting to see Sam admit to Dean that he never got to say to his father what he needed to...then seeing him do it...then seeing those memories wiped. ::sniff::

My happy place is huge for this episode. Which is probably why the gender fail stuff confused me.

I'm going to rewatch in a little while, too. For some reason this time this John was much more *John* to me than he was the first time around.

For some reason this time this John was much more *John* to me than he was the first time around.

Me, too. It makes a nice bridge between JDM!John and Young!John.

It makes a nice bridge between JDM!John and Young!John.

Boy, did it ever!

Last night's episode was a HUGE emotional pay-off. I am very happy with it!