Future Castiel mentioned that he had pretty much lost all of his powers by that point.
Except the power of teh hot.
You're talking to Serenity. And, Early... Serenity is very unhappy.
River ,'Objects In Space'
Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?
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Toddson - Nov 20, 2009 11:32:18 am PST #4388 of 30002
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"
Morgana - Nov 20, 2009 1:06:08 pm PST #4389 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber
I do wish we knew for sure that there won't be a sixth season. I keep hearing waffling. If it's going to be a season finale, killing off the Winchesters seems less likely, since they'd just have to be brought back, and we've been through that already
I was wondering about that today too, because I was thinking about Lucifer assuring Sam that Sam would agree to be his vessel in 6 months. Which would take us to May. Which would be the end of the season, and Sam saying yes would make a heck of season cliffhanger, assuming that they wanted to go for a sixth season.
-t - Nov 20, 2009 1:11:14 pm PST #4390 of 30002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
This is from a ways back, but I was thinking the "5 beings in creation" were Lucifer and the archangels, unless Lucifer counts as one of the archangels. Lucifer and the four horsemen also makes sense. I think that "in creation" phrasing excludes God.
Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 20, 2009 1:25:38 pm PST #4391 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
It's entirely possible that Lucifer and Michael (and their brothers Raphael and Gabriel) aren't subject to death under any circumstances, and that the most any of them could do to one another is banishment.
§ ita § - Nov 20, 2009 1:28:48 pm PST #4392 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Wikipedia lists a varying number of archangels, but I don't see a Christian list of 4 that doesn't include Uriel, who is dead. The Islamic list is Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, and Azrael.
-t - Nov 20, 2009 1:38:10 pm PST #4393 of 30002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
Our Uriel wasn't an archangel, was he? Just a garden-variety angel.
I meant Michael and Gabriel and I don't know who else but presumably the four angels that have been face to face with God, or whatever it was Anna said when she was making the absentee-creator point. I don't know if Lucifer would be one of those or not.
Atropa - Nov 20, 2009 1:40:28 pm PST #4394 of 30002
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.
Our Uriel wasn't an archangel, was he? Just a garden-variety angel.
He SHOULD have been an archangel, which is why I kept getting so confused. (I know, Plei. I need to get back to handwaving the mythology/occult stuff. My head hurts less when I do.)
Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 20, 2009 1:42:17 pm PST #4395 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
We've pretty much had confirmation that Lucifer has had direct one-to-one communication with God, hence his Fall. It's not clear whether Anna would have been counting him as an angel for the purpose of her count of four, though. If not we're still missing an archangel.
Anne W. - Nov 20, 2009 1:43:05 pm PST #4396 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.
As soon as I heard Castiel say something along the lines of "the Bible gets more wrong than it gets right," I took it as the writers signalling us that they had given themselves carte blanche to muck around with accepted theology/apocrypha/tradition/etc. if it served the plot.
-t - Nov 20, 2009 1:48:57 pm PST #4397 of 30002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
It's not clear whether Anna would have been counting him as an angel for the purpose of her count of four, though.
Yeah, that's my reasoning.