It's entirely possible that Lucifer and Michael (and their brothers Raphael and Gabriel) aren't subject to death under any circumstances, and that the most any of them could do to one another is banishment.
I'm sorry, dad. You know I would never have tried to save River's life if I had known there was a dinner party at risk.
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Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?
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Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 20, 2009 1:25:38 pm PST #4391 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
§ ita § - Nov 20, 2009 1:28:48 pm PST #4392 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Wikipedia lists a varying number of archangels, but I don't see a Christian list of 4 that doesn't include Uriel, who is dead. The Islamic list is Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, and Azrael.
-t - Nov 20, 2009 1:38:10 pm PST #4393 of 30002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
Our Uriel wasn't an archangel, was he? Just a garden-variety angel.
I meant Michael and Gabriel and I don't know who else but presumably the four angels that have been face to face with God, or whatever it was Anna said when she was making the absentee-creator point. I don't know if Lucifer would be one of those or not.
Atropa - Nov 20, 2009 1:40:28 pm PST #4394 of 30002
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Our Uriel wasn't an archangel, was he? Just a garden-variety angel.
He SHOULD have been an archangel, which is why I kept getting so confused. (I know, Plei. I need to get back to handwaving the mythology/occult stuff. My head hurts less when I do.)
Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 20, 2009 1:42:17 pm PST #4395 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
We've pretty much had confirmation that Lucifer has had direct one-to-one communication with God, hence his Fall. It's not clear whether Anna would have been counting him as an angel for the purpose of her count of four, though. If not we're still missing an archangel.
Anne W. - Nov 20, 2009 1:43:05 pm PST #4396 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.
As soon as I heard Castiel say something along the lines of "the Bible gets more wrong than it gets right," I took it as the writers signalling us that they had given themselves carte blanche to muck around with accepted theology/apocrypha/tradition/etc. if it served the plot.
-t - Nov 20, 2009 1:48:57 pm PST #4397 of 30002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
It's not clear whether Anna would have been counting him as an angel for the purpose of her count of four, though.
Yeah, that's my reasoning.
Theresa - Nov 20, 2009 2:18:41 pm PST #4398 of 30002
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As soon as I heard Castiel say something along the lines of "the Bible gets more wrong than it gets right," I took it as the writers signalling us that they had given themselves carte blanche to muck around with accepted theology/apocrypha/tradition/etc. if it served the plot.
Good catch! I didn't remember that.
Killing them both is the only way to keep 'em dead.
I laughed out loud when I read this because of course that is the first thing the Winchester boys try is resurrecting each other. Then I looked at the sentence. Wow, I am in love with such a dark show.
Incidentally, I've got my pennies on 5x17 for Bobby Bites It. Anyone else?
Is 17 the next one? I never remember which number we are on. I do think that Bobby is going to die with enough episodes to miss him before the finale. I'm pretty much expecting everyone to drop to the side with the last to die being Sam and Dean.
Next season they'd go back to random mythological creatures? I can't see how that wouldn't be a letdown.
This is me and that is the first time I have EVER felt that way about a show. Always, always, always I would have argued a case for another season. But...what do you do after fighting Lucifer? No, this should be the end, the Winchesters should save the world but most likely die doing so.
But, you know, I'll watch which ever way they decide to go.
Amy - Nov 20, 2009 2:21:03 pm PST #4399 of 30002
Because books.
But...what do you do after fighting Lucifer? No, this should be the end, the Winchesters should save the world but most likely die doing so.
WINCHESTERS IN SPAAAAACE!
There have to be other worlds to save, right?
Polter-Cow - Nov 20, 2009 2:23:06 pm PST #4400 of 30002
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Saving aliens, hunting things—the family business.