Jensen's done a good job playing a moderately effeminate bisexual in the past and didn't seem at all uncomfortable with the role in interviews. And he's a lot more at ease with Misha getting touchy-feely on him than would be the case with their respective characters in similar circumstances. So any hypothetical homophobia must be locked down pretty tight.

I found the con footage where he and Misha actually talk about the scene: [link] starting at around the 19:30 mark.

What bothers me most is the Christian part of the assumption. I know plenty of Christians who support gay rights.

One of my friends got upset about this. he said "yeah, I'm a Christian, and I guess I'm a republican, but do I have to actually fuck a guy for people to believe that I'm not homophobic?"

I totally forgot Chuck was on Buffy! Hi, Chuck! I mean, snarky vampire guy!

Daphne:

I know this show is Sam and Dean, so side characters don't get the "24/7" treatment. We don't get to see their evolution, and the drama they go through in their own lives, and this counts for Cas as of late, too.

Now, I had read a fic that put Daphne in perspective and that feels right with her being cast aside so easily in canon.

In that instance, when she found Cas, she was a widow, and it was easier to explain Cas as her husband, and so it turned into a fake marriage for convenience sake, so there was no love (of the "in love" variety) there. And so it makes Castiel walking away from her when he regains his memories easy to bear. A life of convenience, no longer convenient. Or necessary.

Now, the other way this could play out is that Cas actually falls in love and gets married in a short span of months, like his losing his memory makes him suddenly engaged with his human emotions and receptive to human modes of copulation and bonding. Yet, once in sight of Dean, is able to toss it all off without a backwards glance.

This does not make sense to me, in terms of timing (so quick!) and in terms of how quick Emmanuelle is to forget her once he becomes Castiel.

Now, some of this can be put off to our not seeing the domestic drama of Cas' life since it's the Sam & Dean Show.

Or we could say that naive and clueless Cas got caught up in Broken!Daphne's desire to have a husband, and Cas let himself be married, or fake married, to this crazy chick, and so when he regained his memories, he was easily able to orget his human life and rejoin the fight, because what he had with Daphne wasn't real.

So, I'm left with: deliberately fake marriage, or naive fake marriage, but either way, Cas wasn't fully on board with it being real.

Maybe my logic isn't sound. But the timing seems to be quick for actual falling in love, and canon treatment disregards it as anything important, which automatically discounts it as true love for Cas IMHO. So that leaves convenience, or slight dubcon with a crazy lady.

Finished watching that jibcon vid with J and M, and the question about personal space killed me. What with it winding up with Misha's finger up Jensen's nose.

Juliebird: It's been too long since I've seen the episode for me to mount a reasoned argument for you. But I do need to ask, why are you assuming that Daphne is broken, crazy, and using dubcon tactics? Or is that in response to the specific fic that you read?

On edit: because it seems that the crazy comes just from being a widow. As if being a widow automatically makes her nuts. Which, no.

Even now, people get married for a lot of reasons other than True Love -- pity, cooperation, money, all kinds of things. It's a shame we don't see what happened to Daphne, but she was also a character in the storyline for about two minutes. And the sad truth is, lots of spouses walk out the door and never look back, so I don't expect to see it addressed again.

My basic take is that a God-fearing woman found a naked amnesiac man in what she felt were miraculous circumstances. She chooses his name, or maybe helps him pick his own..."God is with us" Is too on the nose for me, anyway.

In my head, she's the sort of woman who would join a convent, but just never did, because she wanted to be more of a part of the world, or something--basically a woman who not take poorly to god giving her the responsibility to take care of this broken man.

When I start overthinking it, they never sleep together, but sometimes they share a bed. Their kisses are chaste gestures of tenderness--that's what they have between them, an amazing sweetness and sincerity, and the belief that god is why this whole thing happened.

I hadn't worked it all the way through to the end, but it makes it easier for her to let him go--maybe this is the next step. She's healed him, and now God is taking him to where he's needed first. A man coming to her door and saying that he needs to drive off with him...that's the will of god, and who is she to resent that ormake a fuss.

Doesn't mean she doesn't miss him, but it's not the mourning of a wife for a husband--not just because she thinks he's alive still and also doing good works.

I'm mystified (not unusual for me, I know).... on my flist I just came across something about a campaign on Tumblr to show love for Misha, in reaction to some kind of hate campaign going on against him on Twitter. I'm not on Twitter or Tumblr, so what gives? I thought everyone pretty much universally liked him, what with all his charity work and fan-friendliness and everything.

Apparently some crazy fans (former fans) were planning a hate campaign to try and get Misha fired. I have no idea why, unless it relates to that video of the con, since Jensen says that Misha was the one to say their lines were unmanly.

With fans like those ...