This is not funny. This... this is a morality tale about the evils of sake.

Simon ,'Objects In Space'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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§ ita § - Sep 20, 2010 4:43:36 pm PDT #13892 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

honestly, that it's better that it's messy and fucked up and a little not real, and that she's fucked up for letting him in her door and that they're both playing a whacked out version of house.

I wish I trusted Show to do that, though. Because that's precisely what I want them to do. I'm not mad at Dean for going to her, not in the least. I'm kinda mad at her taking him in, but that's mostly because I think the show will treat it as the Right Thing.

It's not like most of the show's relationships aren't fucked up, but I trust them much more with man on man loving (all unsexuality mostly intended) that with this.


Juliebird - Sep 20, 2010 4:43:46 pm PDT #13893 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

UNDER!!!!

(not really)

I'm sick of women being killed off, left, marginalized.
And I'm the one who thinks that just because of this, Lisa doesn't have to be protected and set on a magical pedestal where she does no wrong and IZ PERFECT and does no wrong to Dean and is emotionally healthy. WhyTF does she get a pass? I mean, at the cost of all narrative purposes available, why is she the sacred cow?

I'm also the person who says "why isn't the black dude allowed to be magical ever again?", which may be another whole can of worms, but there it is.


ehab - Sep 20, 2010 4:45:23 pm PDT #13894 of 30002
...all my words have been taken by my work. - Mala

Lisa doesn't have to be protected and set on a magical pedestal where she does no wrong and IZ PERFECT and does no wrong to Dean and is emotionally healthy.

No she doesn't have to be those things. But her character can still have a place in the story.


§ ita § - Sep 20, 2010 4:49:29 pm PDT #13895 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm a little enh at the idea of a non-active-in-the-quest person in the storyline, but execution could change my mind. I like them isolated for healthy normality. I crave and adore that.


sumi - Sep 20, 2010 4:50:14 pm PDT #13896 of 30002
Art Crawl!!!

CW has posted a sneak peek.


ehab - Sep 20, 2010 4:50:30 pm PDT #13897 of 30002
...all my words have been taken by my work. - Mala

I'm wary but also weary. So...I don't know where that leaves me.


Cass - Sep 20, 2010 4:57:12 pm PDT #13898 of 30002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Cass, my apologies if my post seemed snippy - I hadn't seen your response when I posted.

Oh, gosh no. I just assumed that we don't agree. And that's totally okay.

Though I did go back and in re-reading our posts in succession, it did sound snippy on both sides but I think we knew what we meant and didn't realize we were posting in quite that order. The conversations and replies just managed to converge.


Juliebird - Sep 20, 2010 4:59:37 pm PDT #13899 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I was bad and I watched! Nnnngh!


Juliebird - Sep 20, 2010 5:02:13 pm PDT #13900 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

No she doesn't have to be those things. But her character can still have a place in the story.

I think we agree, then. I certainly don't think she looses any narrative function by being less than ideal. I think there's more interesting things to be had if she's more than just the fantasy being forced into a half-baked reality.


Anne W. - Sep 20, 2010 5:03:00 pm PDT #13901 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Oh, gosh no. I just assumed that we don't agree. And that's totally okay.

But of course! I'm just in a walking on eggshells mood tonight for some reason.

And yeah, I find that while I like the idea of the relationship with Dean and Lisa being problematic, I also really want it to have some basis in something genuine. Maybe not something that's enough to build a healthy relationship on, or a lasting one, but something genuine nonetheless (that will only make it more painful later...).

I do wish I trusted Show to do right by Lisa--not in terms of having things come up roses for her, but in terms of giving some thought to what her story is, and who she is, in ways that go beyond her being Dean's shot at something resembling a normal life. On edit, there probably wouldn't be room to do too much of that, given that the show is not about her. But I would love to see what little screen time she does have be more than having her function as plot machinery.