in ways that go beyond her being Dean's shot at something resembling a normal life.

This, however that works out.

Heh. Wasn't trying to be a troll and look at all I stirred up. The OTP for Theresa. I just really like him liking her. Mostly based on her being Carmen, which she isn't, but in my mind, they have had that back story.

I disliked Cassie's performance so much that I was over their love by the end of the episode. I didn't have any problem with either Dean's affection fading or him realizing he was mistaken.

True, that. I'm more trying to make room in my own mind for there to be a basis to the relationship that isn't about Ben.

I'm not being a smartass here, because I honestly don't remember but wasn't WIAWSNB before Ben ever showed up? I thought of it as him idealizing Lisa as Carmen, and I loved Carmen. I thought she held her own with the other two iconic women of Mary and Jess and it had nothing to do with any future children. So in my mind, Carmen=Lisa due to their physical appearance which I think is a huge coincidence if show didn't want us to make that connection. I handwave that it wasn't the same actress based on that Dean only had 4 days with her so had some details wrong. But then he saw her with Ben, so when he fantasized about her again, he had a fresher mental image.

Which sounds like I want other people to think that way, but I don't. That's just my rationale. In my mind Carmen was Lisa, but I don't expect her to be in anyone else's.

Toilet paper should be hung with the flap in THE BACK!

and I'm agoin' to bed.

which I think is a huge coincidence if show didn't want us to make that connection

That would also make Ruby Carmen, which I doubt. I think it's just a random brunette thing.

I can see Ruby choosing a human based on Dean's type just to irritate him and give herself a personal laugh.

I am Theresa wrt Carmen being an idealized memory of Lisa.

Unfortunately for me, I think Michelle Borth had magnitudes more chemistry with Ackles than does the Lisa actress. I just like the actress better, and as Theresa says, Carmen held her own place onscreen with Jess and Mary.

But I've accepted that Lisa is the reality we get.

Lisa wasn't a twinkle in the writers' eyes when that episode was written, though. I think Carmen was *supposed* to be an empty fantasy based on a beer ad, precisely because Dean has nothing of his own in that episode. All his wishes are based on others' happiness -- John's peaceful death after a long life, his mother alive and happy and enjoying her sons, Sam on his way to lawyerdom and marriage to Jess.

The whole *point* was that Dean didn't want anything for himself that the djinn could use in his fantasy.

Lisa wasn't a twinkle in the writers' eyes when that episode was written, though.

I agree with you there, but I think they took advantage of thinking of it when she came along.

cereal

ION, Parents weekend is this weekend in Lawrence. Ninety-eight percent chance that I won't be able to justify that hour of television Friday night. DVR have I told you lately that I love you?

Also in my diamond shoes are ouchy category, I get a chance to go to Hawaii for most of October. Literally one of my first thoughts was "but what if I'm where they don't get the CW?" My priorities are so out of whack. But at least I know it, so that counts for something right?

My priorities are so out of whack. But at least I know it, so that counts for something right?

I think THE SAME WAY.

I'm going to be making out with my DVR on Saturday morning, when Friday's ep is right there for me to watch again and again.