Mind meld x-post with Amy.
And that's why I think it's creepy. He's fetishising her son, and otherwise not being unattracted to her.
Faith: A kid. Angel's got a kid. Wesley: Connor. Faith: A teenage kid born last year. Wesley: I told you, he grew up in a hell dimension. Faith: Right. And what, Cordelia spent her last summer as… Wesley: A divine being. Faith: Uh-huh. Can I just ask--What the hell are you people doing?
'Why We Fight'
Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?
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§ ita § - Sep 20, 2010 4:30:41 pm PDT #13882 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Cass - Sep 20, 2010 4:31:02 pm PDT #13883 of 30002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.
Would Dean have sought her out like he did in the year of his deal just because the sex was that great?
Yes.
ehab - Sep 20, 2010 4:31:38 pm PDT #13884 of 30002
...all my words have been taken by my work. - Mala
I think my Dean/Lisa may be born of fatigue for running through female characters. I'm not sure it's rational from a story or plotting perspective, though I am fond of the character and the actress. So many of the alternative story lines I can imagine for extricating her from Dean's life I DO NOT WANT. I'd prefer they fond a graceful way to make her character work.
I'm sick of women being killed off, left, marginalized. I guess I want show to find a way to make her work, without sacrificing the Dean, Sam, Castiel & impala dynamic. Tall order I know.
ETA: I agree with the problems ita mentions, but I think it's possible to build on their shaky foundation and make it work.
Cass - Sep 20, 2010 4:33:54 pm PDT #13885 of 30002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.
And that's why I think it's creepy. He's fetishising her son
Precisely. This is my issue and ewwwww all wrapped up together.
Amy - Sep 20, 2010 4:34:26 pm PDT #13886 of 30002
Because books.
I'm sick of women being killed off, left, marginalized. I guess I want show to find a way to make her work, without sacrificing the Dean, Sam, Castiel & impala dynamic. Tall order I know.
This is why I mourned for what they could have done with Bela's character. And possibly Ruby's, although that's trickier since she *was* a demon.
It's also hard to say, though. With their life, you can't have them conveniently being able to call on too many people, and they see Bobby a hell of a lot as it is. And I love Bobby! But if they had never introduced Bobby, I would have been happy for his character's role to have been filled by Ellen instead.
Anne W. - Sep 20, 2010 4:36:29 pm PDT #13887 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.
Cass, my apologies if my post seemed snippy - I hadn't seen your response when I posted.
Then they should have articulated it.
True, that. I'm more trying to make room in my own mind for there to be a basis to the relationship that isn't about Ben.
Juliebird - Sep 20, 2010 4:38:45 pm PDT #13888 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider
Like starting an argument about toilet paper and over vs. under . . .
I think, whether Lisa is The One or not, I think the messy fact remains is that he did romanticize her and Ben. And that that doesn't negate her as The One. But I don't think she needs to be The One, or that his romantization of her and Ben needs to be valid or solid. And I think, honestly, that it's better that it's messy and fucked up and a little not real, and that she's fucked up for letting him in her door and that they're both playing a whacked out version of house.
Amy - Sep 20, 2010 4:39:48 pm PDT #13889 of 30002
Because books.
over vs. under . . .
OMG OVER, of COURSE.
P.M. Marc - Sep 20, 2010 4:42:40 pm PDT #13890 of 30002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
And I think, honestly, that it's better that it's messy and fucked up and a little not real, and that she's fucked up for letting him in her door and that they're both playing a whacked out version of house.
I Pooh Cased the last word here and went to a seriously fucked up naughty nurse place.
ehab - Sep 20, 2010 4:43:22 pm PDT #13891 of 30002
...all my words have been taken by my work. - Mala
And I love Bobby! But if they had never introduced Bobby, I would have been happy for his character's role to have been filled by Ellen instead.
Yes this.
And you know come to think of it, I'm fine with Lisa and Dean not working out romantically, but I still want her character to have a place in their world for the reasons I've mentioned.