And that is not something I saw from here.

There were basically two that I saw over and over. One between two women friends chatting (that sounded particularly fake) and one with an older couple. Both stressed the "don't treat people differently, don't eliminate rights" argument.

But, as you mention, many people don't get the difference between domestic partnership rights and marriage rights. Plus, with the Supreme Court ruling only in May, I think it's hard to see the issue as one of depriving people of rights. It's too new.

I think the No side needed to make more of an effort to reassure people that a No would not result in radical change. Instead of the older married couple asking people not to treat their children differently, I would have loved to see them talk about how their marriage wasn't threatened by same-sex marriage.

The only argument I've ever seen convince conservative friends is actually an economic/self-interest one. That is, in general, public policy supports marriage because it benefits society to have stable relationships and stable families. Having more people married can only further this agenda.

Voting on Prop 8, broken down by age group:

Vote by Age
            Yes    No
18-29 (20%)  39    61
30-44 (28%)  55    45
45-64 (36%)  54    46
65+   (15%)  61    39 

kos sez:

That's why the Mormon Church and their bigoted allies are so desperate in this fight. Young people aren't afraid of the gays. They're on the losing side of history.

And I'm not just ready for this fight, I'm eager for it.

Proposition 8

The only argument I've ever seen convince conservative friends is actually an economic/self-interest one. That is, in general, public policy supports marriage because it benefits society to have stable relationships and stable families. Having more people married can only further this agenda.

The Gay Agenda is The Straight Agenda? Oh Noez!!

I wonder which state will be the first to have movement to remove the word marriage from government processes?

I'd love for it to be NY - "Legal Union" license has a nice ring to it.

The NYT is doing another print run of today's paper: [link]

Just got a call from a scientist at the Paris Observatory congratulating me on my new president. His toddler was yelling OBAMA! in the background, and he said she definitely needed to go to bed was very excited about OBAMA!, though she didn't really understand what it was all about.

He said all the scientists were very relieved and hopeful.

The starburst thing is from a Rich Lowry Palin column, that, thanks to Keith, makes me read "Rich Lowry" and think "Ew...that perv!" Love America...hate Arizona. But that's nothing new.

Sometimes, its worth reading the Salon letters:

Yeah, once the Ewoks have stopped dancing they've got to get down to the business of goverment. But, y'know, it's not been a day yet, so for now: yub nub and fuck you.

nytimes.com has a great graphic on the front page that goes through several screens showing how things changed from 2004. What is going on in Arkansas that they are the biggest shift to voting more Republican?

Well, that didn't take long. Abby was called a terrorist lover at school today.