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Okay, so just caught up on the CoE talk and I've just finished rewatching Series 1 and 2 of Torchwood.
On the death of Ianto: I really don't think the point was arbitrarily to torture the living shit out of Jack. Seemed to me it was more of a "hey, dumbass, guess whose plan completely fucking backfired and, incidentally, killed your lover?" Just kind of a slap in the face for Jack whose plan ("Let's threaten them with our total badassedness though we lack things like, you know, resources") was very very stupid. You may be the hero, Jack, but you're not so cool you can just pull salvation from out thy bunghole.
That seemed to me to play well into sacrificing his grandson. When Skeeve-man Decker says "You have a transmitter" Jack's immediate reflexive response was "No. Shut up." Because he was once again forced into a "pull a dumbass plan out of your ass and save the day" situation which he had done well in the past, but recently had not worked out so good. It was only when he saw that he had NO time for ANYTHING ELSE that he did it. And it killed him. Not literally, of course.
So his decision to leave at the end made perfect sense. It wasn't just grieving, to my mind, but was made up of grieving and crippling self doubt. "What am I doing? What made me think I could do this? Who am I to lead these people when I am so clearly a major fucktard?"
I loved CoE (not that it didn't have some faults, many of which have been pointed out upthread. Seriously, you're just going to build a giant poison-filled fishtank and not have some way to, you know, blow it up? Really?), but thought it was the end of TW. I was really surprised to hear about a series 4. How? Jack's gone, Gwen's about to have a kid (the problems with which I was reminded of in Series 2 when Rhys and Gwen were talking about having kids and Gwen was all "It won't work. 'Sure, Jack, I'll disarm that bomb just as soon as I drop the baby off at daycare'?") So I wonder what will be left of TW to pick up at the beginning. Just Gwen and Rhys and the baby sitting around their flat taking weird phone calls? "Well, when there's slime is there also a weird noise? Yeah? 'Polka music'. GWEN!"
But I'm eager to find out.
"That Jean-Luc Picard" [link]
Seriously, you're just going to build a giant poison-filled fishtank and not have some way to, you know, blow it up? Really?
Well, they did only have one day to build it to the aliens' specifications. But, yeah, you'd think they install a vacuum or something to quickly remove the gas, because earth's atmospheric gas would presumably kill them. But that would just be killing one alien, not scores of others up in space ready to wage war.
I was really surprised to hear about a series 4.
Has series 4 been officially commissioned? According to ComicMix, an anonymous BBC America representative confirmed it. But that's all I can find on the subject. I believe RTD has said more recently that no decision has been made yet.
It was confirmed on the BBC Website.
And I'm not worried about them being able to bring the show back, even considering where they left Jack and Gwen.
If nothing else, there's two other Torchwood teams ... Torchwood 2, in Glasgow, "very strange man ..." and Torchwood 4, "someday we'll find them ..." I've long suspected that those two dropped references in the first episode were there in case they ever needed new team members quickly.
And there's always Lois Habiba.
.. and even Martha. Given the right story and, of course, actor availability -- and I still can't help but suspect Martha and Mickey weren't used because RTD didn't want them in this story -- I don't see any reason why a new Torchwood couldn't be up and running very quickly.
upthread, someone said Martha (the actress) wasn't available for CoE.
I still can't help but suspect Martha and Mickey weren't used because RTD didn't want them in this story
What LeN said. Freema was already previously spoken for by L&O:UK. I can see Micky's deliberate omission though.
Mickey and Doris and Gwen as the leader.
I'm a masochist because I just watched Exit Wounds (finally!) It was so hard to watch that last scene with Gwen, Jack and Ianto in the hub.
But, in the scene at the police station where Gwen is giving the marching orders to the other officers...she's a leader and even Rhys know it.
They could build a show around her. Having a baby will complicate but there are babysitters and they will need a new HQ, but it's doable.
