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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


§ ita § - Feb 09, 2008 4:21:51 pm PST #89 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Watched Ashes to Ashes and not feeling the large love. It does have a lot to live up to, but we have her waking up in the year I moved to London. It's very distracting. I'll not give up on it for an ep or two yet, though. In which time they'd be well served easing off the Miami Vice shit.

Oh, and what the fuck was up with that hair in the SGA preview for next week?


Frankenbuddha - Feb 09, 2008 5:11:56 pm PST #90 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Saw tonight's BBCA airing of TORCHWOOD and basically all I have to say is good episode and poor Tosh.


Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 09, 2008 5:39:56 pm PST #91 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I've never seen Woodward sober at a convention. The last time I saw him he ranted about Angel being crap, then fell over. He IS a lovely guy, though.

Oh, I didn't mean to imply that he wasn't a nice guy, or that he was a mean drunk. (He was apparently sober and very sweet the one time I met him.) But showing up at scheduled public appearances so sloshed that you can barely speak coherently is not a good sign. And his drastically changed appearance since 2004 says it isn't just a case of drinking to calm the nerves at the occasional con—when I first saw his Pegasus 3 photos I thought they were of J. J. Abrams having a really bad day. I find myself kinda hoping he has friends and family willing to stage an intervention.


Jon B. - Feb 10, 2008 12:34:31 pm PST #92 of 30001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Jon, is this the promo you were talking about earlier?

Sorry, I haven't read the thread in the last couple of days, to avoid the Torchwood 2.04 talk.

Anyhoo, that's not the exact promo, since that one seems to have aired before any of Torchwood S2 aired, and the one I saw aired immediately after 2.01, but it's similar enough and has the casting spoiler.


Emily - Feb 11, 2008 4:27:47 am PST #93 of 30001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

Saw tonight's BBCA airing of TORCHWOOD and basically all I have to say is good episode and poor Tosh.

Yes. Also, yay Moby song that I know!


sumi - Feb 11, 2008 4:54:34 am PST #94 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

Poor Tosh.

The Smallville episode was good for the Ollie/Lois - except when she broke up with him for no good reason. (Other than that they aren't supposed to be together.)

Black Canary was a travesty.


Kevin - Feb 11, 2008 5:09:50 am PST #95 of 30001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Matt, in fairness I think the only way I could survive being a guest at a convention would be by getting blind drunk. In the UK he doesn't do panels so much - he gets several bottles of vodka and dishes it out to the audience whilst drinking it himself. Somehow he manages to drag that out for 2 hours, as his panel slot. It's still more entertaining than people trying to think of 2 hours of questions for him, though.


§ ita § - Feb 11, 2008 5:28:07 am PST #96 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

On Torchwood ep 4, what was Jack thinking about retconning a man with a bullet wound? How do you explain that?


Dana - Feb 11, 2008 5:33:45 am PST #97 of 30001
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

I think retconning must be a more extensive process than we've been shown. They have to have the capacity to replace memories, as well as erase them. When Owen was kicked out of Torchwood, they were going to retcon all of his memories of working for Torchwood, and they obviously would have had to replace them with some kind of cover story.

I just read a story the other day where Ianto spent his time in Torchwood One working for the department in charge of devising the memories they implanted in people who were retconned.


§ ita § - Feb 11, 2008 5:35:38 am PST #98 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Yeah, it would have to be more complex. At the very least the person in question would have to know what happened yesterday.