I'm going to see to Wesley, see if he's still whimpering.

Giles ,'Chosen'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Typo Boy - Feb 13, 2009 8:39:06 pm PST #6811 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Fringe:I'm pretty sure that Olivia told the prisoner that she had his transfer to state pen in her hands and she was threatening him with processing that paperwork and transferring him if he didn't cooperate.

And that threat included "Do you know what they will do to you the first night? And the second?" And his face crumpled a little. So yes she was threatening to transfer him from the State to the the Federal Prison. And the teeth behind that sure sounded to me like a threat was that he'd be raped while there. (And he did not cooperate, though she got something useful from him. No indication that she was bluffing. So, absent evidence to the contrary, I'd assume the transfer was processed. (Since this is the first ep I've seen, I'd accept the word of others who have watched previous eps that she would bluff about stuff like that, and not follow through on the threat.))


sumi - Feb 13, 2009 8:42:17 pm PST #6812 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

No, she was threatening to transfer him from the federal prison to state.

I'm not arguing that she said the other stuff - I'm just saying that federal prisons aren't all Guantanamo and I don't think THAT was what she was threatening him with.


brenda m - Feb 13, 2009 8:42:36 pm PST #6813 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

And that threat included "Do you know what they will do to you the first night? And the second?" And his face crumpled a little. So yes she was threatening to transfer him from the State to the the Federal Prison. And the teeth behind that sure sounded to me like a threat was that he'd be raped while there.

It's a constant, constant thing these days. Pops up in pretty much every cop show and a great number of others.

The level of tolerance or outright approval for prison rape in this society right now is frankly sickening. It's almost never mentioned except for a laugh or a little visceral thrill.


§ ita § - Feb 13, 2009 8:45:52 pm PST #6814 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It's almost never mentioned except for a laugh or a little visceral thrill.

Or, as in the Fringe example, a threat. I didn't get a thrill vibe off her statement at all.

I wonder what the stats are for prison rape if you come in as a no-status fish. (eta: The overall stats in 2007 were 1 in 20 in the past 12 months)

Gar, she's not a bluffer.


brenda m - Feb 13, 2009 8:57:33 pm PST #6815 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Or, as in the Fringe example, a threat.

No, that's true. But there's often such a tone of satisfaction about it that, ugh. Once you start noticing and thinking about it it really jumps out. (I didn't see this episode so I don't know if this is the case here, but generally speaking.)


Polter-Cow - Feb 13, 2009 10:10:56 pm PST #6816 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

That was the WTFiest episode of BSG of all time.


sumi - Feb 13, 2009 10:18:56 pm PST #6817 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

I think that the recipient of the threat's lack of reaction and Anna Torv's lack of affect may have prevented any smugness in intent from coming across - if that was supposed to be there.

It read as a threat and I didn't get more than that from Olivia. (And as I said, the guy - really didn't react.)


Glamcookie - Feb 14, 2009 7:54:26 am PST #6818 of 30001
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

DW thinks the 7 is Baltar because they mentioned something about Daniel (the 7) appearing in people's heads. I enjoyed getting the info and it seemed to make sense, but that wasn't quite the way I wanted to get it, you know? An Ellen/Cavill, Anders/other final 5 brain dump. Also, I really can't stand Ellen and am kind of annoyed that she is playing such an important role. Hell, I'm annoyed to see her again, period!


Typo Boy - Feb 14, 2009 8:31:06 am PST #6819 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

And as I said, the guy - really didn't react.

Yes he did. His face totally crumpled. Then he recovered and got back his poker face. But absolute terror showed through for a moment.


§ ita § - Feb 14, 2009 3:45:07 pm PST #6820 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Okay, I've rewatched BSG. I think making 7 Kara's father is a bit of a cheat, because there's no indication he ever made it to the colonies, is there?