Okay, I've rewatched BSG. I think making 7 Kara's father is a bit of a cheat, because there's no indication he ever made it to the colonies, is there?
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§ ita § - Feb 14, 2009 3:45:07 pm PST #6820 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Juliebird - Feb 14, 2009 3:56:14 pm PST #6821 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider
I think you're onto something, ita. Unless John Cavil contaminated Daniel's amniotic fluid after he died on Caprica, and not after he died on Earth, which doesn't make sense since Ellen at that point, forgetful of who she really was, wasn't playing favorites with 7. I didn't see much of a reaction from Starbuck over the name either.
I'm so confused, though, Ellen isn't being counted as one of the final five anymore? She's the 0/creator that's been speculated about? That's... even more disappointing than her been a final fiver. Except, she still is a final five, isn't she? And where exactly did that come from? The humlons she and the other Five created? So they got their history wrong? Cavil erased not just the memory of Daniel from the humlons, everything and anything reminiscent of his existence?
§ ita § - Feb 14, 2009 4:18:32 pm PST #6822 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
If Ellen is to be believed she's no more special than the other FFers. She made the final intuitive leap to enable the creation of the 8 skinjobs, but they all contributed.
Oh, and I still hate Tory.
Juliebird - Feb 14, 2009 4:22:04 pm PST #6823 of 30001
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If Ellen is to be believed she's no more special than the other FFers.
Prezactly. So somewhere along the way the history got messed up or deliberately smeared. Because it's Six, not five.
§ ita § - Feb 14, 2009 5:21:45 pm PST #6824 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Because it's Six, not five.
Skinjobs: Cavil, Leoben, D'Anna, Simon, Aaron, Six, Daniel, Sharon
Final Five: Tory, Anders, Tyrol, Tigh, Ellen
It adds up right.
Jessica - Feb 14, 2009 5:35:28 pm PST #6825 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
My current working theory is that Daniel is the one who rebuilt Starbuck using "the lab" on "the colony."
Juliebird - Feb 14, 2009 5:38:12 pm PST #6826 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider
It adds up right.
If you've been on the 13 train, it does. But we've been told this whole time that there were twelve models. And so the final five should have been it. Don't get me wrong, I totally appreciate that the long-awaited fifth was revealed with the bonus of one more unknown cylon (which some of us were kind of expecting), who's existence lacks the drawn-outness of the final five, and who's identification will lack the drawn-outness of Ellen (given the amount of eps left).
§ ita § - Feb 14, 2009 5:41:20 pm PST #6827 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Well, there are 12 models. There were 13. That's how I do the math in my head. #7 was always missing too, I suspect sloppily by the writers.
Jessica - Feb 14, 2009 5:44:19 pm PST #6828 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
#7 was always missing too, I suspect sloppily by the writers.
Yeah, they made Sharon #8 before they'd come up with the 7/5 split.
brenda m - Feb 14, 2009 10:08:06 pm PST #6829 of 30001
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If you've been on the 13 train, it does. But we've been told this whole time that there were twelve models.
We always (more or less) knew Sharon was eight. Did we never twig that there was a number missing? Honestly, I can't believe that in how many years I never did - did anyone on the show?