Willow: Something evil-crashed to earth in this. Then it broke out and slithered away to do badness. Giles: Well, in all fairness, we don't really know about the "slithered" part. Anya: No, no, I'm sure it frisked about like a fluffy lamb.

'Never Leave Me'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Monique - Feb 26, 2008 5:25:02 am PST #495 of 30001

It takes some handwaving and retcon, but it's clear Friedman is prepared to do that, to tell the story he wants to tell.
If Friedman were doing Manimal, 2007, I'd be a lot more willing to give him leeway than I am with something as well known as Terminator.

I can usually shuffle around a lot, but there's no way I can buy the events of T2 happening in 1997. Fanwanking them to 1995 if John is indeed 10, as the police file shows in T2, is as far as I can go.

And I have to say, I find the producers' statements I've seen to the effect that the films aren't all consistent, so the show doesn't have to be, somewhat lazy. If I can use Wikipedia to figure out dates from the movies, so can the show writers. Of course people are going to be harping on things like "Did you notice the day? June, 1997?" If sci-fi geeks are going to ask why Buffy didn't get cramps whenever she was around vampires, like she did in the movie, giving a 1997 date for that scene is definitely going to raise a fuss among Terminator fans.


Frankenbuddha - Feb 26, 2008 5:25:43 am PST #496 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

IOW, look! Shiny robots! Nice arms!

I gave up trying to resolve time paradoxes after I saw the Sealab 2021 where Stormy and Quinn keep going back to try and prevent Sealab from blowing up (and creating mutiple iterations of themselves in the process).


Jessica - Feb 26, 2008 5:28:46 am PST #497 of 30001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

the Sealab 2021 where Stormy and Quinn keep going back to try and prevent Sealab from blowing up (and creating mutiple iterations of themselves in the process)

I have massive love for that ep.


Tom Scola - Feb 26, 2008 5:38:22 am PST #498 of 30001
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500

Invader Zim had a Terminator-esque episode, where GIR's head exploded when he tried to understand a time paradox.


Frankenbuddha - Feb 26, 2008 5:50:47 am PST #499 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I have massive love for that ep.

I think it was the first Sealab I ever saw. I was hooked immediately.


tiggy - Feb 26, 2008 5:58:50 am PST #500 of 30001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

Ah, but if Kyle Reese doesn't go back in time and warn Sarah Connor about Skynet, then Judgement Day happens anyway because nobody was trying to stop it.

mmmm...good point.

And I have to say, I find the producers' statements I've seen to the effect that the films aren't all consistent, so the show doesn't have to be, somewhat lazy.

this.

giving a 1997 date for that scene is definitely going to raise a fuss among Terminator fans

also this.


sumi - Feb 26, 2008 6:28:55 am PST #501 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

I loved the scene at the end with Derek watching Cameron dance.

Also, the name of the episode was "The Demon Hand" - clearly it should have been called "Evil Hand" or "Evil Hand Issues."


Laura - Feb 26, 2008 6:41:17 am PST #502 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

if they DO stop Skynet and prevent Judgement Day, Kyle Reese will never be sent into the past & John Connor will never be born in the first place

Hush, that's the final episode where Sarah Connor is a mild mannered accountant with 3 daughters.

I love time travel wonkiness. Just love, don't overthink.


Jon B. - Feb 26, 2008 6:54:35 am PST #503 of 30001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Are people really getting worked up over time paradoxes? Don't you know that it's all just wibbly-wobbly... timey-wimey... Stuff?


Ailleann - Feb 26, 2008 6:55:58 am PST #504 of 30001
vanguard of the socialist Hollywood liberal homosexualist agenda

Are people really getting worked up over time paradoxes?

Have you met us?