It's definitely supposed to be ambiguous -- when and if Cameron flipped the "good" switch during that time or if she was just cleverly faking. We-the-audience are in the exact same situation as the Connors -- did she really change? How stupid was John being to try resetting her chip? (Plenty, I'd say.)
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Theodosia - Sep 09, 2008 5:12:28 am PDT #4528 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"
tiggy - Sep 09, 2008 5:26:17 am PDT #4529 of 30001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore
I, personally, don't think she was good at any point before John took the chip out. i think she made a decision to override the termination program once he reloaded the chip and she went live. the question definitely becomes why and will it last.
Josh Friedman has stated he has no intention of exploring Cameron's "humanity" and wants to concentrate on how a machine would adapt to our world. so i don't think she's grown affectionate for John. she may just be biding her time...
Glamcookie - Sep 09, 2008 5:45:53 am PDT #4530 of 30001
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister
I enjoyed the Cameron, John, Sarah storyline. Manson, NSM, though she definitely has the right look. She's always been a little creepy looking (IMO) but she is getting more odd-looking with age.
Frankenbuddha - Sep 09, 2008 5:54:24 am PDT #4531 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Josh Friedman has stated he has no intention of exploring Cameron's "humanity"
Well, Joss Whedon never had any intention of exploring (unsouled) vampires' "humanity" either (or so I swear I remember reading back in the day), but it happened anyway.
Jessica - Sep 09, 2008 5:54:46 am PDT #4532 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
i think she made a decision to override the termination program once he reloaded the chip and she went live.
I don't think there was any "decision" about it - John reprogrammed the chip to override her default orders. If he'd done it wrong, she would have killed him the moment she woke up.
Typo Boy - Sep 09, 2008 6:08:17 am PDT #4533 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
But apparently terminators are not pure emotionless machines. Cameron told Sarah "not to let him do that again if she ever turned bad again". And Shirley Manson seemed angry.
Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 09, 2008 6:16:27 am PDT #4534 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Emotion would definitely seem to be behind Manson killing that mouthy subordinate. If she thought he was going to become a problem for her plans, terminating him in the corporate sense would have resulted in a lot less police attention than an employee going missing or turning up dead in the men's room.
Frankenbuddha - Sep 09, 2008 6:18:05 am PDT #4535 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
I think the former could be part of the programming John did to the chip (either then or in the future). The latter definitely seemed to indicate a personality and intent, as opposed to programming.
sumi - Sep 09, 2008 6:49:35 am PDT #4536 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!
Strega - Sep 09, 2008 7:18:06 am PDT #4537 of 30001
Ew. Does FOX's marketing department recruit from sex offender registries? Because, ew.