Angel: Miss me? Lilah: Only in the sense of…no.

'Just Rewards (2)'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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sumi - Sep 09, 2008 6:49:35 am PDT #4536 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

T-1000 SCC promo posters.


Strega - Sep 09, 2008 7:18:06 am PDT #4537 of 30001

Ew. Does FOX's marketing department recruit from sex offender registries? Because, ew.


Juliebird - Sep 09, 2008 7:20:53 am PDT #4538 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

interesting observation from a poster at TWoP:

for all we know, she's been manually overriding her 'kill John Connor' programming this entire time, and the explosion merely interfered with her ability to control herself.

and

John didn't fix the chip. I don't think Cameron was "fixed". She just went off the script at the end. She is no longer Terminator-reprogrammed-as-protector, but rather Terminator-who-chose-to-be-good.

Which, upon rewatch, I know they stretched out that "promise" scene for tension, but maybe there was more to the delay in her promising. She immediately says no, before the command to terminate appears, but won't promise until after the command is overridden. Like she didn't *want* to kill John, hence the "no", but couldn't promise until she'd made sure she wouldn't bump into any unsavory commands.

Ew. Does FOX's marketing department recruit from sex offender registries? Because, ew.

at least she's got arm(s) and a gun to defend herself this time.

I also noticed that before Weaver fully morphed from urinal to her human form, when she was still all silver she had a rather large rack that would never have fit inside that white jacket.


tiggy - Sep 09, 2008 7:51:47 am PDT #4539 of 30001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

Well, Joss Whedon never had any intention of exploring (unsouled) vampires' "humanity" either (or so I swear I remember reading back in the day), but it happened anyway.

somehow i doubt that or he never would have created Angel to be a sympathetic character from the get-go.

I actually agree with Friedman. not having Cameron evolve and become more human would be a lot more interesting for me because we're never really shown that in tv or movies except when the robot/ai lifeform/whatever is "bad" and killed. i'd much rather see him take her in the direction of choosing to be good, but not for human reasons.

he cited the Cylons as a perfect example of what he didn't want to do.


Jessica - Sep 09, 2008 8:16:44 am PDT #4540 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

he cited the Cylons as a perfect example of what he didn't want to do.

Feh.

(What is it about the current crop of SF-TV show creators that makes them prone to insulting other perfectly good SF on TV? Is the genre so ghettoized that even people MAKING SF ON TV think that all SF on TV is crap? Yes, David Eick, I'm looking at you. Most of your fans also watch Stargate.)


Frankenbuddha - Sep 09, 2008 8:21:40 am PDT #4541 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

somehow i doubt that or he never would have created Angel to be a sympathetic character from the get-go.

Err, that's why I added the parens with "unsouled" in it.


tiggy - Sep 09, 2008 8:43:49 am PDT #4542 of 30001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

I don't necessarily think he meant it as an insult, Jessica. just that he didn't want to explore Cameron's humanity the way that BSG had humanized the Cylons. he wanted her to remain a robot in a human world and what that entails.

heh, Frank. ignore me. that's what multi-tasking will do to a girl.


Polter-Cow - Sep 09, 2008 8:56:27 am PDT #4543 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I don't think he meant it as an insult either. I'm pretty sure they're big BSG fans over there. (One of the writer/producers is Toni Graphia, who worked on BSG.) Like tiggy said, I think he meant it more that BSG had already done that with the Cylons, so he wanted to do something different.


sumi - Sep 09, 2008 10:33:20 am PDT #4544 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

Read this over at TWOP:

Torchwood: Lost Souls audio play, featuring Jack, Gwen, Ianto and Martha, will be webcast tomorrow, Wednesday 10th, at 1415GMT on the BBC Radio4 website. It will then be available for on-demand replays from Thursday 11th to Wednesday 17th.


Dana - Sep 09, 2008 12:35:11 pm PDT #4545 of 30001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

T-1000 SCC promo posters.

Another woman without limbs! Awesome.

t /sarcasm