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Shirley Manson, baby!!!!
Ha! I thought she looked familiar. She was good.
I watched, despite the fact I didn't see anything past about the third/fourth episode of last season, so I am woefully unknowledgable about what has been happening.
My question is that if Cameron was good, again, why did she step on Sarah to make her scream? Doesn't sound like the actions of a nice protector. The thought that being smushed by two trucks reprogrammed her just doesn't follow. I think the "termination override" is a false command planted by the other Terminator until he's got something he wants and then he'll set Cameron back onto John.
It's definitely supposed to be ambiguous -- when and if Cameron flipped the "good" switch during that time or if she was just cleverly faking. We-the-audience are in the exact same situation as the Connors -- did she really change? How stupid was John being to try resetting her chip? (Plenty, I'd say.)
I, personally, don't think she was good at any point before John took the chip out. i think she made a decision to override the termination program once he reloaded the chip and she went live. the question definitely becomes why and will it last.
Josh Friedman has stated he has no intention of exploring Cameron's "humanity" and wants to concentrate on how a machine would adapt to our world. so i don't think she's grown affectionate for John. she may just be biding her time...
I enjoyed the Cameron, John, Sarah storyline. Manson, NSM, though she definitely has the right look. She's always been a little creepy looking (IMO) but she is getting more odd-looking with age.
Josh Friedman has stated he has no intention of exploring Cameron's "humanity"
Well, Joss Whedon never had any intention of exploring (unsouled) vampires' "humanity" either (or so I swear I remember reading back in the day), but it happened anyway.
i think she made a decision to override the termination program once he reloaded the chip and she went live.
I don't think there was any "decision" about it - John reprogrammed the chip to override her default orders. If he'd done it wrong, she would have killed him the moment she woke up.
But apparently terminators are not pure emotionless machines. Cameron told Sarah "not to let him do that again if she ever turned bad again". And Shirley Manson seemed angry.
Emotion would definitely seem to be behind Manson killing that mouthy subordinate. If she thought he was going to become a problem for her plans, terminating him in the corporate sense would have resulted in a lot less police attention than an employee going missing or turning up dead in the men's room.
I think the former could be part of the programming John did to the chip (either then or in the future). The latter definitely seemed to indicate a personality and intent, as opposed to programming.
