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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

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Juliebird - Aug 19, 2008 5:18:49 pm PDT #4256 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

An interesting thing I noted during tonights ep was Stark changing his reasoning for Carter to get to the wedding on time. Either is was appealing to Carter's sympathetic side with "it's Allison's big day, don't fuck it up" or it was a stern, dismissive put-down of "I've got important work to do, go away so that you don't fuck it up."

I don't know what to make of that yet, if anything. I don't know if the writers are that clever.

And, I if this is Stark's death, then I want him dead, no cheating. If Kim couldn't come back, Stark can't either. It hurts, but I don't want a big red reset button on death. As much as I'll miss the Quinn...

I'm so conflicted. Of course if they hit that big red button I'll be all onboard. But I've had my fill of cheating from SG-1 and Atlantis and all the other crappy, cheating shows that I've had the displeasure of watching.


Vortex - Aug 19, 2008 5:22:54 pm PDT #4257 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Tivo delay-

HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!! That was Jossian in its execution.


Juliebird - Aug 19, 2008 5:30:13 pm PDT #4258 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Also, with Stark's death, I wasn't being totally facetious with regards to the Carter/Stark Show. That's a huge dynamic that's gone. Not just with Allison, but the love/hate relationship with Carter. The push and pull. The grudging respect and the absolute disdain and stumbling block, and I don't see Thorne as able to fill that gap, not even on the latter part, not in the fun way that was already established.

Speaking of Jossian, I immediately thought of Wesley and Angel, giving each other their manly nods as Wes went off to his doom, when Stark and Carter had their goodbyes. *sniff*


JenP - Aug 19, 2008 5:41:46 pm PDT #4259 of 30001

I'd build the reset button myself if I could.

Phooey.


Vortex - Aug 19, 2008 5:45:16 pm PDT #4260 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

And he called him Jack at the end!

But, I'm hoping that they will do some other time issue and Stark will appear out of nowhere. I'm going with the rule of soap operas, if there's no body, the character will be back! (I mean usually they fall off of a cliff or there's a mysterious explosion, but this could work)


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 19, 2008 5:45:35 pm PDT #4261 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Did I miss a line about how Fargo wouldn't have been able to get the job done and Stark had a choice between dying or dying along with everybody else? Because no way do I buy him sacrificing his own life for the good of others if there were anyone else who could do it instead.


quester - Aug 19, 2008 5:46:37 pm PDT #4262 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

WTF!!??? Whoa!


Vortex - Aug 19, 2008 5:48:38 pm PDT #4263 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Because no way do I buy him sacrificing his own life for the good of others if there were anyone else who could do it instead.

I don't think that he thought Fargo could do it.


Typo Boy - Aug 19, 2008 9:05:36 pm PDT #4264 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I'm with Vortex. With odds against anyone succeeding, and the fate of the universe at stake, Stark would not trust the job to anyone but himself.

And given that it had to be done right the first time, no second chances, and the alternative was Fargo, I have to say that Stark made the right choice. Fargo, as written, could easily have frozen or otherwise screwed up. It needed calmness under pressure, which was much more a Stark skill than a Fargo skill.


Juliebird - Aug 20, 2008 12:12:45 am PDT #4265 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

It's a bit wrong that this is the first time that I believed that Allison was really in love with Stark. Sally really sold it.

That thing I said about the repetition of "I'll always be here for you, no matter what" being annoying? I finally realized that it was the set-up for the final repetition/punch in the gut. I'll have to rewatch to see if that statement was said with different meanings throughout the episode. Same with "It's Allie's big day" and maybe some other repeated phrases whose meaning changed as the story progressed.