Xander: I still don't get why we came here to get info about a killer snot monster. Giles: Because it's a killer snot monster from outer space. I did not say that.

'Never Leave Me'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Vortex - Aug 19, 2008 5:48:38 pm PDT #4263 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Because no way do I buy him sacrificing his own life for the good of others if there were anyone else who could do it instead.

I don't think that he thought Fargo could do it.


Typo Boy - Aug 19, 2008 9:05:36 pm PDT #4264 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I'm with Vortex. With odds against anyone succeeding, and the fate of the universe at stake, Stark would not trust the job to anyone but himself.

And given that it had to be done right the first time, no second chances, and the alternative was Fargo, I have to say that Stark made the right choice. Fargo, as written, could easily have frozen or otherwise screwed up. It needed calmness under pressure, which was much more a Stark skill than a Fargo skill.


Juliebird - Aug 20, 2008 12:12:45 am PDT #4265 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

It's a bit wrong that this is the first time that I believed that Allison was really in love with Stark. Sally really sold it.

That thing I said about the repetition of "I'll always be here for you, no matter what" being annoying? I finally realized that it was the set-up for the final repetition/punch in the gut. I'll have to rewatch to see if that statement was said with different meanings throughout the episode. Same with "It's Allie's big day" and maybe some other repeated phrases whose meaning changed as the story progressed.


§ ita § - Aug 20, 2008 1:17:55 am PDT #4266 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I was spoiled for this ep, and I kinda wish I hadn't been. Still, I thought it well executed, and it's the first time I bought Allison with either Stark or Carter. But I severely still don't want her with Jack.

And now we have Lexie. I swear, that actress is pregnant a lot. I wondder how long she stays, and why it seems so easy for her to set up stead. It's all in who you know.

Oh, and I'm sad that we didn't get a wee bit more exploitation of Ed Quinn for his body before they evaporated him. If he comes back, it should be for that at least.


Jon B. - Aug 20, 2008 1:25:12 am PDT #4267 of 30001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

And now we have Lexie.

What I'm trying to figure out is how does someone show up three days early to a friggin' secret invisible town??


SailAweigh - Aug 20, 2008 2:56:51 am PDT #4268 of 30001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Same with "It's Allie's big day" and maybe some other repeated phrases whose meaning changed as the story progressed.

CFerg, in particular. I think he had the most repetition in the episode. By the third rep, I was feeling almost as frantic as Carter was. And where the first few were played for laughs, the last few became absolutely heartbreaking by the end.

I did save the episode. I think tonight I may have to watch it over, again. The a lot of nuances that were easy to overlook because you keep anticipating the dialog.

Oh, and I'm sad that we didn't get a wee bit more exploitation of Ed Quinn for his body before they evaporated him. If he comes back, it should be for that at least.

Totally concor with this sentiment.


Theodosia - Aug 20, 2008 4:11:33 am PDT #4269 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Maybe Stark can come back naked? That would satisfy all of us, really.

I liked how Carter worked his way through the various possible causes and solutions, as the situation got darker and more desperate.

The "science", however.... t waves hands enough to briefly lift her from her seat


Topic!Cindy - Aug 20, 2008 4:35:41 am PDT #4270 of 30001
What is even happening?

This morning, I'm leaning toward Stark coming back.

I'm going with the rule of soap operas, if there's no body, the character will be back! (I mean usually they fall off of a cliff or there's a mysterious explosion, but this could work)

I think it's a Sci-Fi rule, too. And I think you're right. I mean, the storyline was all about time loops and whatnot, and how many times did Allison say everything would work out the way it's supposed to?

I was spoiled for this ep, and I kinda wish I hadn't been. Still, I thought it well executed, and it's the first time I bought Allison with either Stark or Carter. But I severely still don't want her with Jack.

I always buy Allison with both of them. Of course, I think both EQ and CF have the big block of concrete factor in spades.

Oh, and I'm sad that we didn't get a wee bit more exploitation of Ed Quinn for his body before they evaporated him. If he comes back, it should be for that at least.

I know, right? And if this was it for him, why couldn't they have added in some hand-wavium about Stark having to be starkers to activate the phlebotinum?


JenP - Aug 20, 2008 4:58:55 am PDT #4271 of 30001

Still, I thought it well executed, and it's the first time I bought Allison with either Stark or Carter. But I severely still don't want her with Jack.

Totally agree.


Vortex - Aug 20, 2008 5:32:39 am PDT #4272 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

But I severely still don't want her with Jack.

Right. I want Jack with Stark ;)

And now we have Lexie.

I really dislike that actress. She is always annoying. I can't figure out if it's the characters she plays or something about her mannerisms or way of speaking.