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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

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Polter-Cow - Jul 14, 2008 10:38:17 am PDT #3603 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Initially there was the implied possibility that the Time War had involved the Daleks and Time Lords making causality-defying strikes against each other's origins until some final effort of the Doctor's resulted in both species being erased from history and restructuring the whole universe absent the influence of either, with himself as the sole survivor.

Really? I never got that. It always seemed to me that he'd sent both races into some crazy void or something. That doesn't explain why exactly the Doctor doesn't run into any of the past Time Lords on his adventures now, though.


Fiona - Jul 14, 2008 10:59:26 am PDT #3604 of 30001

Were there to be another regeneration in the foreseeable future, who do we think might make a good Eleven?

A recent British "poll" (basically, "who off of this list of five random actors would you hate the least, supposing that David Tennant were to turn his nose up at the vast sums of cash we are prepared to offer him?") had Robert Carlyle as the Eleven of choice.

Unlikely that he'd do it, though. He left "Hamish Macbeth" because he was becoming too much of a movie star.

I liked the explanation in DW 4.13 that the Time War was time-locked, which explains why we've managed to completely avoid it for four years.

Edit: just realised that I completely failed to answer your question, Fay. I really haven't given much thought to who I would like to see as the next Doctor. Ideally, though, it would be someone like Tennant: not terribly well-known yet, but some really good acting credits under his belt, who can grow into and stay with the part for a few good years. And perhaps a little bit older again, mid-forties or so?


tiggy - Jul 14, 2008 11:02:03 am PDT #3605 of 30001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

i've often wondered how it is that the Doctor doesn't run into himself in different incarnations(Children in Need special with 10 and 5 notwithstanding). i mean, he's 900+ years old. how can he remember every place he's been and every time he's been there. i think it would be fun to see him run into himself.


Vortex - Jul 14, 2008 11:05:43 am PDT #3606 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

i mean, he's 900+ years old. how can he remember every place he's been and every time he's been there. i think it would be fun to see him run into himself.

maybe the Tardis won't let him go to a place where he already is. I loved in Blink when she ran into the Doctor and realized that he hadn't met her yet.


Polter-Cow - Jul 14, 2008 11:07:50 am PDT #3607 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Thing is, if he's run into himself...he already knows it! So he would, in fact, have to deliberately go meet himself to prevent the universe from collapsing.

What would be kind of tricksy and sort of weirdly awesome is for Ten to run into Eleven.


victor infante - Jul 14, 2008 11:13:31 am PDT #3608 of 30001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

maybe the Tardis won't let him go to a place where he already is.

For the most part, that's the case. Rarely, when the shields are down (such as in the Children in Need special) or when he overrides it (Such as in "Father's Day") he can cross his own timeline, but the TARDIS' automatic settings mostly stop that from happening. Because that way leads to bad things happening. Wibbley-wobbley, timey-wimey stuff.

Moreover, I suspect there's a level where the current Doctor is consciously avoiding Time Lords entirely thoughout time. (Which isn't hard. Very few of them traveled.) He'd probably say he was trying not to muck about with history, but I think running across any of his people from before The Time War happened would simply be too painful. The temptation to, say, go back and look at his son/daughter (it's never explicitly stated), or Susan, or Romana must be overwhelming, and theoretically within his power. And it would probably devestate him.


Polter-Cow - Jul 14, 2008 11:16:27 am PDT #3609 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Moreover, I suspect there's a level where the current Doctor is consciously avoiding Time Lords entirely thoughout time. (Which isn't hard. Very few of them traveled.)

Really? What the shit did they do, then? I mean...they were TIME LORDS. LORDS OF TIME. And they just hung around Gallifrey musing upon all of creation? What purpose did they serve, and why did anyone care about them? I'm still unclear on what non-Doctor Time Lords are like.


victor infante - Jul 14, 2008 11:27:21 am PDT #3610 of 30001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

And they just hung around Gallifrey musing upon all of creation?

Pretty much, which is why the Doctor found them very dull, and preferred to travel. Usually, his fellow Time Lords where pains in his ass -- either dragging him back to Gallifrey to chastise him for mucking about with time (they even exiled him to Earth for a spell) or using him as an agent they could disavow for dangerous missions. Their mission was to protect the course of time, but in practice, they rarely left Gallifrey.

Anthony Stewart Head's character called them something like "dry, dusty senators," and he wasn't far off.


Juliebird - Jul 14, 2008 11:34:14 am PDT #3611 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

If Life ends up sucking in it's sophmore season, I'd have to wholeheartedly vote Damian Lewis as Eleven. He'd be ginger! Dark and manic and ginger!

But at this point, I don't care who'd be the new Doctor, because if I'd seen stills of Tennant being promoed as the new Who, I'd have been dead set against it.


§ ita § - Jul 14, 2008 11:36:20 am PDT #3612 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

They also created black holes, which was pretty nifty. My people never did anything that cool.