Wash: Don't fall asleep now. Sleepiness is weakness of character. Ask anyone. You're acting captain. Know what happens you fall asleep now? Zoe: Jayne slits my throat, and takes over. Wash: That's right. Zoe: And we can't stop it.

'Shindig'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Kate P. - May 31, 2008 5:42:32 pm PDT #2687 of 30001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Anne, ITA with your whitefont, and your speculation would DELIGHT me!


Typo Boy - May 31, 2008 5:45:13 pm PDT #2688 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

A comment on the DW some of us saw yesterday, a few weeks after those who access the BBC. When the UNIT general put on the gas mask, and the Doctor asked wryly "Are you my Mummy?" nearly got diet coke on my TV set.


sumi - Jun 01, 2008 6:16:02 am PDT #2689 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

BSG - Oh, I LOVED that the model ship got broken in the Adama/Tigh fight. Hee.

I assume that this one didn't come from a museum!


Torque - Jun 01, 2008 7:26:24 am PDT #2690 of 30001
Bad Wolf

DW 4.08

Any chance that's Jenny after a regeneration or two?

Also

How impressive of Moffatt to basically say theres still a lot more doctor to come. Isn't there speculation that David Tennant won't be back for many more series?

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§ ita § - Jun 01, 2008 7:35:13 am PDT #2691 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

DW 4x08:

I think what we're supposed to get from it is that she's a former intimate (perhaps lover) that knew 10 for quite a while, but not Noble, implying that Tennant's run will exceed Tate's by a while. Which is a lot to say.

I hated when he started yelling about not letting the shadows cross, because there's no way they could stick to that, and then the viewers are left with rules for the universe that don't work. I think that in the quest for creepiness they exceeded how much consistency the script and the shooting could deliver, and it ended up more hysterical than most of Moffat's prior efforts.


Polter-Cow - Jun 01, 2008 9:28:08 am PDT #2692 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

DW 4.8:

VictorC, I also suspected she might be Jenny, but she definitely didn't seem daughterly, and...also, she can't be Jenny because this is supposed to be the first time The Doctor meets her and she meets Donna.

ita, I agree with you that the consistency of the shadow business bugged. I kept noticing when they were standing in the shadows and nothing happened. But I went with it anyway because it was cool.

As for the comparisons to "Blink," I don't necessarily care how "scary" each episode is. What I love is how clever Moffat is, integrating multiple elements of coolness and also playing with time travel, which, for God's sake, the show should do more often. And I think this two-parter obviously has a much larger scope than "Blink," and I really want to see what's up with CAL and the little girl and Dr. Moon. Even though they're not real.


DCJensen - Jun 01, 2008 11:16:45 am PDT #2693 of 30001
All is well that ends in pizza.

DW 4.8:

P-C, my impression is that the little girl *is* CAL, the brain that runs/is the planet.

also I'm sure pretty River Song is meeting him now *before* she will have met him in her own personal past. Crossed timelines make the Doctor itch. To quote another Doc (Brown), "No man should know too much about their own destiny."


§ ita § - Jun 01, 2008 11:31:00 am PDT #2694 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

DCJ, I disagree about the timing in DW 408: She's not meeting him ahead of time in *her* personal past--just in his, much like Sally Sparrow in Blink.


Polter-Cow - Jun 01, 2008 11:38:55 am PDT #2695 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

DCJ, I know the little girl is CAL. That much is obvious. But that doesn't really give me the whole story of how CAL works and operates. And what Dr. Moon is and how he knows what's going on and why he's telling her. A failsafe program?

And, yeah, I agree with ita on the timing. And her very appropriate example.


Juliebird - Jun 01, 2008 11:51:01 am PDT #2696 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

DW 4x08 I had a vague unintelligible thought on how they are in the biography section, so many people saved but there are no bodies, that they were in fact turned into books, into their own personal biographies, and the little girl is stuck in her own fictional biography and... then I got nothing.