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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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§ ita § - Nov 13, 2012 11:06:24 am PST #21676 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm fair with him unhinging because of the death but without needing to see every blessed moment of it. Are you saying the seeds were sown (and more sown from him, maybe clues displayed) from earlier?


le nubian - Nov 13, 2012 11:12:07 am PST #21677 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

ita,

in the novels you could clearly see the build up. He had lost his shit WAY before Lori died. It was pretty fucking clear. But then too, the graphic novel has a constant drumbeat of death. They gradually lost a lot of their party all along. Every issue someone was dying due to someone's stupidity.

In fact, T-Dogg was the one who took on the leadership role in the group because Rick had lost his shit. This is the biggest substantive change they have made to the plot that also affects some stuff going on at the Governor's.

I don't know how this will get reconciled.


§ ita § - Nov 13, 2012 11:31:48 am PST #21678 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

In the comics, T Dogg was still a gentleman of high melanin? Don't they know there's a long and august heritage in the genr...okay, there's an old precedent. Whatevs. Still, would have been nice to see for a change.

If they film it so that Rick suddenly goes boinkers, having him bitchslap the undead on the way down isn't going to make a psychotic break look any more plausible, and it's a smidge less fun.


le nubian - Nov 13, 2012 11:50:11 am PST #21679 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

ita,

I cannot remember the character's name in the novels any longer, and there were more people of color as part of Rick's crew in the novels than there have been on tv - and, might I add, given more to do - but he was a serious, able-bodied Black man who was generally level-headed and took over the leadership position and did a decent job.

Not exactly T Dogg, in other words.


Polter-Cow - Nov 13, 2012 11:50:58 am PST #21680 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

In the comics, T-Dog is named Tyreese, and he's one of my favorite characters, and he has a really interesting relationship with Rick, and he doesn't really have much in common with T-Dog except for being black and favoring melee weapons over guns.


le nubian - Nov 13, 2012 12:10:05 pm PST #21681 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

that's one of the reasons I have been upset with the tv's portrayal of T-Dogg.


Polter-Cow - Nov 13, 2012 12:14:28 pm PST #21682 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Yeah, it was a wasted opportunity, in retrospect.


le nubian - Nov 13, 2012 12:29:59 pm PST #21683 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Well casting was bad. They had a weak actor in the role that set up the impossibility the character could achieve greater. Can you imagine if they had cast Andre Braugher? Michael Kenneth Williams? Harold Perrineau in the role? Can you imagine?


Polter-Cow - Nov 13, 2012 12:56:50 pm PST #21684 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Harold Perrineau already has experience yelling the name of a lost child!


Tom Scola - Nov 14, 2012 5:10:12 pm PST #21685 of 30001
hwæt

Arrow: The Royal Flush Gang?