Has anyone else talked about it since the premiere date was announced?

Not as much as I would have expected. I seriously thought I'd missed a start to something Who-vian upthread, but if you just had a random question, that explains it.

When I look at this [link] which is a testament to Sterek, I can't help but think they put the wrong name in there. Stiles is not the challenge to Derek. It's Scott. It's clearly Scott. The series hinges on it being Scott.

I don't understand the point of view that it's Stiles. Sure, Stiles smartmouths him, like he does just about everyone he doesn't have a pattern with, but he also usually lets Derek physically cow him.

Which is fine--he's outgunned. It's cool. Scott, on the other hand, doesn't pause to accept that, and throws himself, fangs and claws at Derek just about every time. It's not initial resistance and then removing himself from the fray (if I were going to clumsily apply what I don't actually know about pack psychology is that Stiles don't present to Derek like he's subordinate in his pack, but he does not challenge him for primacy--Stiles is not an alpha). Scott is establishing himself as no one's beta, ever. Whatever fight he needs to have with Derek to show that, he pretty much does.

Does fandom not care because he has a relationship that's got him off limits for some reason? That doesn't usually stop fandom. Is it just that Stiles is sassier, and that's the interplay they prefer, as opposed to a more apples to apples resistance?

Beats me.

Is it just that Stiles is sassier, and that's the interplay they prefer, as opposed to a more apples to apples resistance?

Maybe? I still don't get it. And you're right: relationships have never stopped fandom before. And usually, there's at least a fair amount of shipping when you have a hero/anti-hero relationship, even if there's no sassin'.

I don't know anything about Teen Wolf, but fandom does love shipping ambiguously-or-outright evil dude with tortured past with plucky un-super sidekick. Basically, 70% (totally scientifical-kinda number I just pulled out of my ass) of all Thor / Avengers hetfic (which appears to be what I am into right now) feature Darcy and a good half of them appear to be Darcy/Loki. Why, when they don't even interact in the movie? 'Cause they fit that shipping type that hits fandom in its sweet spot. The geeky, snarky, adorable sidekick is the point of self-insertion for the fans (like all of us, only sassier! And braver! And slightly better-looking but not in a ridiculously-hot Greek God/Goddess way but in a way that's approachable!) The broken tortured hot bad guy just need to open his eyes to the awesomeness that is Darcy/Willow and he will be fixed!

Uh, from fannish osmosis, it sounds like Stiles/Derek fit those types pretty well? If not, just ignore me trying to do meta in fandom I know nothing about! *hands*

There are so many primo moments where I'd have thrown in Scott/Derek, because of angling for dominance, and they are both of the type that betas and knots, so you get two sides of heat and self-lublng, and all the marvels of magickal wolf-on-wolf sex--but I'm not sure if Sterek is wolfing Stiles.

If it is...that's not the story I'm interested in even remotely. Jeff Davis has said no wolfing of Stiles, and that's key for me too. His power of will extending the mountain ash was *perfect*. It showed he could, but he's human. Will is what did that, and he's a spark plug of intent.

Is Stiles a self-insertion point, PM? I'm so ludicrously in awe of his spicy mind and sassy mouth, I hadn't even thought of that...

Daunt is now pimping Chris/Stiles, and seriously? I stuck with her during the Karl Urban obsession, but it appears that championing ships that boggle me is more distracting to my dash than more pictures of and admittedly hot...oh, that sentence just resolved itself. Still, I though Too Much Karl was going to be my breaking point, but apparently Stiles+the wrong guy, and Isn't This Cast Perfect (aren't we too old for that yet?) might be what breaks the camel's back.

Basically, 70% (totally scientifical-kinda number I just pulled out of my ass) of all Thor / Avengers hetfic (which appears to be what I am into right now) feature Darcy and a good half of them appear to be Darcy/Loki.

Heh, whereas most of the het I'm seeing is Clint/Natasha, which I rather prefer to anything that tries to fix Loki...

Is Stiles a self-insertion point, PM? I'm so ludicrously in awe of his spicy mind and sassy mouth, I hadn't even thought of that...

Huh. I hadn't considered that. Though, if you're gonna self-insert, why DEREK?

Shouldn't it more properly be a self-insertion HOLE?

::wanders away whistling::

Basically, 70% (totally scientifical-kinda number I just pulled out of my ass) of all Thor / Avengers hetfic (which appears to be what I am into right now) feature Darcy and a good half of them appear to be Darcy/Loki.

Oh, you KNOW why! It's being written by young girls who identify with Darcy - Darcy is a built-in Mary Sue, they don't even have to write one! And they want to redeem Loki because he's just misunderstood and treated badly by his dad!

I can read no more fic on Tumblr, ever

Though, if you're gonna self-insert, why DEREK?

If so many things, why Derek? I hadn't noticed how often the script points out he's a rampant failure either. Still, I think hobnobbing with Peter is both another example of him being a failure, and if it's remotely justifiable it's to try and redeem his epic fail.