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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


P.M. Marc - Aug 27, 2012 8:12:40 am PDT #20885 of 30001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Beats me.

Is it just that Stiles is sassier, and that's the interplay they prefer, as opposed to a more apples to apples resistance?

Maybe? I still don't get it. And you're right: relationships have never stopped fandom before. And usually, there's at least a fair amount of shipping when you have a hero/anti-hero relationship, even if there's no sassin'.


Vonnie K - Aug 27, 2012 8:26:37 am PDT #20886 of 30001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

I don't know anything about Teen Wolf, but fandom does love shipping ambiguously-or-outright evil dude with tortured past with plucky un-super sidekick. Basically, 70% (totally scientifical-kinda number I just pulled out of my ass) of all Thor / Avengers hetfic (which appears to be what I am into right now) feature Darcy and a good half of them appear to be Darcy/Loki. Why, when they don't even interact in the movie? 'Cause they fit that shipping type that hits fandom in its sweet spot. The geeky, snarky, adorable sidekick is the point of self-insertion for the fans (like all of us, only sassier! And braver! And slightly better-looking but not in a ridiculously-hot Greek God/Goddess way but in a way that's approachable!) The broken tortured hot bad guy just need to open his eyes to the awesomeness that is Darcy/Willow and he will be fixed!

Uh, from fannish osmosis, it sounds like Stiles/Derek fit those types pretty well? If not, just ignore me trying to do meta in fandom I know nothing about! *hands*


§ ita § - Aug 27, 2012 8:41:29 am PDT #20887 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

There are so many primo moments where I'd have thrown in Scott/Derek, because of angling for dominance, and they are both of the type that betas and knots, so you get two sides of heat and self-lublng, and all the marvels of magickal wolf-on-wolf sex--but I'm not sure if Sterek is wolfing Stiles.

If it is...that's not the story I'm interested in even remotely. Jeff Davis has said no wolfing of Stiles, and that's key for me too. His power of will extending the mountain ash was *perfect*. It showed he could, but he's human. Will is what did that, and he's a spark plug of intent.

Is Stiles a self-insertion point, PM? I'm so ludicrously in awe of his spicy mind and sassy mouth, I hadn't even thought of that...

Daunt is now pimping Chris/Stiles, and seriously? I stuck with her during the Karl Urban obsession, but it appears that championing ships that boggle me is more distracting to my dash than more pictures of and admittedly hot...oh, that sentence just resolved itself. Still, I though Too Much Karl was going to be my breaking point, but apparently Stiles+the wrong guy, and Isn't This Cast Perfect (aren't we too old for that yet?) might be what breaks the camel's back.


Consuela - Aug 27, 2012 8:45:33 am PDT #20888 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Basically, 70% (totally scientifical-kinda number I just pulled out of my ass) of all Thor / Avengers hetfic (which appears to be what I am into right now) feature Darcy and a good half of them appear to be Darcy/Loki.

Heh, whereas most of the het I'm seeing is Clint/Natasha, which I rather prefer to anything that tries to fix Loki...


P.M. Marc - Aug 27, 2012 9:07:29 am PDT #20889 of 30001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Is Stiles a self-insertion point, PM? I'm so ludicrously in awe of his spicy mind and sassy mouth, I hadn't even thought of that...

Huh. I hadn't considered that. Though, if you're gonna self-insert, why DEREK?


Theodosia - Aug 27, 2012 9:15:46 am PDT #20890 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Shouldn't it more properly be a self-insertion HOLE?

::wanders away whistling::


Zenkitty - Aug 27, 2012 9:49:37 am PDT #20891 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Basically, 70% (totally scientifical-kinda number I just pulled out of my ass) of all Thor / Avengers hetfic (which appears to be what I am into right now) feature Darcy and a good half of them appear to be Darcy/Loki.

Oh, you KNOW why! It's being written by young girls who identify with Darcy - Darcy is a built-in Mary Sue, they don't even have to write one! And they want to redeem Loki because he's just misunderstood and treated badly by his dad!

I can read no more fic on Tumblr, ever


§ ita § - Aug 27, 2012 10:01:55 am PDT #20892 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Though, if you're gonna self-insert, why DEREK?

If so many things, why Derek? I hadn't noticed how often the script points out he's a rampant failure either. Still, I think hobnobbing with Peter is both another example of him being a failure, and if it's remotely justifiable it's to try and redeem his epic fail.


§ ita § - Aug 27, 2012 11:01:31 am PDT #20893 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I was directed to this page in the AfterElton slash tourney because it has D/C on it, but...I can't vote for nu!Kirk/Spock over TOS Kirk/Spock. That seems so unfair.

Everything else (on that page) was an easy vote, just to try and not show up just for my OTP.


Sue - Aug 27, 2012 12:57:16 pm PDT #20894 of 30001
hip deep in pie

The Firefly slash pairing in that tourney is Simon/Mal. Was that a thing?