Oh, yeah... I differentiate between timeline and universe. The amber timeline contains the red and blue universes in which both Peters died as children. So we're talking about bleedthrough to the original timeline in which the redverse Peter survived, but grew up in the blueverse. Ha.

Yep. Like le nubian, it's confused me that Peter has to go "back" to his timeline. Which would imply that there are multiple timelines, all with multiple universes, and I don't know how reality can handle it. Yet if this Peter-less timeline is now reverting back to the original timeline, do people disappear and reappear accordingly? I thought what was happening in Westfield was a merging of timelines, not universes, hence Olivia's bleedthrough. And I presumed that one guy was dead in the original timeline, which is why he was immune. But that wouldn't explain the woman who was immune but then went crazy anyway, which could be explained by her doppelganger traveling into Westfield.

I think David Robert Jones is going to try to merge the redverse and blueverse entirely, though. That's obvious, right? And it's going to succeed, and that's the finale, and everyone will have two lifetimes of memories, and the cast will get yet another version of themselves to play.

Still wondering about the timeline issue, though.

Bryan Fuller's Munsters remake not on the table due to difficulties in casting.

Considering how cranky a lot of the target audience was about the rumored story changes, I think that's for the best.

it's confused me that Peter has to go "back" to his timeline.

He started off thinking he needed to fix the amber timeline before deciding he was in the wrong place altogether. I don't feel bad about being confused when Peter is too. It does seem outrageously complicated for multiple timelines to co-exist and I don't know if they do, but it is clear to me that this is a different concept than the universes.

I thought what was happening in Westfield was a merging of timelines, not universes, hence Olivia's bleedthrough.

I think Westfield was Jones causing merging universes, but Olivia was experiencing merging timelines. She didn't have the same symptoms as the people there. Not the biological ones anyway.

I think David Robert Jones is going to try to merge the redverse and blueverse entirely, though. That's obvious, right?

Maybe? Unless he and Nina have some more specific plan in mind. I still think we'll meet an alt-Nina, so I think there is probably a more specific strategy in place.

And it's going to succeed, and that's the finale, and everyone will have two lifetimes of memories, and the cast will get yet another version of themselves to play.

Oh dear god, I hope not. I'm not opposed to new versions, but I don't want to lose the ones we have.

I brought up your idea of Peter being in the right place "I read on another site..." and Mark responded. I wish I could link here, but I thought that it would be best to be circumspect for now.

BTW, it isn't just Olivia who is "remembering" things. Rather, I am not sure she is remembering as much as she is becoming the original Olivia.

Walter is doing the same thing. I think they are purposefully trying to indicate that they are becoming different people (perhaps along with remembering their original lives).

Someone just replied that, "When he was gone the evil queen placed a spell on this universe and now they don't remember who they are."

Grimm:

Amy Acker!

Also, the opening was very Buffy.

I have to catch up with Grimm online. Why the Forces of Evil have conspired to put three of my favorite shows on at the same time on the same night is frustrating.

I'm not opposed to new versions, but I don't want to lose the ones we have.

I do. I had the same assumptions many of you did, that what Peter needed to do was to fix where he was, not leave it. But I shifted my opinions when the show did, and now I really want the other versions back, and for these people not to get subsumed into what we were familiar with. I'd like for them to be their own thing, even if they stop existing.

I should've said I don't want to lose the ones we've had. I do want to get back to the original characters. I thought P-C was saying that we'll end up with a merge of Olivia/Fauxlivia, Walter/Walternate, Astrid/Altstrid, etc.

Walter is doing the same thing. I think they are purposefully trying to indicate that they are becoming different people (perhaps along with remembering their original lives).

I can kind of see that. I still wonder what happens with the people for whom the vital statistics changed when Peter didn't exist.

Someone just replied that, "When he was gone the evil queen placed a spell on this universe and now they don't remember who they are."

Heh. Baby Henry exists! He's just on the wrong show!