Maybe the Doctor could go back to Pompeii and just switch everybody who died with a robot. (Man, Stephen Moffat has lost it.)
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River ,'The Message'
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Maysa - Oct 01, 2011 11:18:18 pm PDT #18376 of 30001
Anne W. - Oct 02, 2011 2:57:41 am PDT #18377 of 30001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.
does this also mean that no fixed point is really fixed?
I really don't think so. I think this fixed point is genuinely fixed. I'm not seeing this as being too much of a cheat, honestly. After all, we were speculating about it being a Flesh Doctor for quite a while (which may have kept us from spotting that Chekhov's gun in LKH). If the Doctor is going to lay seriously low for a while, then the event would be reported as his death.
In short, the fixed point wasn't the Doctor's death--the fixed point was Astronaut!River shooting the robot and the Doctor going subsequently missing. The nature of the fixed point was, however, deliberately mis-reported.
An old Jewish saying is: "To kill one person is to destroy the world." (paraphrased).
I love how Rory pointed out something similar in The God Complex about Howie's overcoming his stammer.
Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 02, 2011 5:41:10 am PDT #18378 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Perhaps they're only "fixed" points. It's hard to pronounce quote marks, especially in the heat of battle and/or weddings.
Remember Dalek Caan (KHAAAAAAAN!!!1!) was somehow able to accidentally break the time lock on the Time War and rescue Davros. So changing fixed events appears to be possible, just incredibly difficult and very costly to those who manage to do so.
quester - Oct 02, 2011 5:45:10 pm PDT #18379 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.
I mainlined the last 3 episodes of Dr. Who. My favorite thing? Stormaggeddon!
And I'm kind of disappointed that the Doctor that was "killed" wasn't one of those synthetic humans.
Dana - Oct 02, 2011 5:49:51 pm PDT #18380 of 30001
I haven't trusted science since I saw the film "Flubber."
Okay, while driving to Walla Walla today, I started wondering how the regeneration energy appeared, if the Doctor wasn't killed.
Typo Boy - Oct 02, 2011 6:01:12 pm PDT #18381 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
It's really quite simple, you see ... Oh look over there a Dalek! {waves hand}.
Fiona - Oct 02, 2011 10:33:58 pm PDT #18382 of 30001
how the regeneration energy appeared, if the Doctor wasn't killed.
Well, the Telesecta observed Mels to River's transformation, so presumably could copy it.
Anne W. - Oct 03, 2011 12:36:59 am PDT #18383 of 30001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.
Ooh. I like that theory, Fiona.
Kate P. - Oct 03, 2011 3:58:45 am PDT #18384 of 30001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love
I would like, at some point, for the stakes not to be THE END OF ALL TIME. Just for variety.
Yes, very much this.
I can see how this might not be technically a cheat on the concept of "fixed points," but it still felt an awful lot like a cheat to me. On the other hand, you know, it's kind of nice that the Doctor isn't dead, so we still get More Show.
Polter-Cow - Oct 03, 2011 1:13:50 pm PDT #18385 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
