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I would like, at some point, for the stakes not to be THE END OF ALL TIME. Just for variety.
I've ranted about this before, so let's see if I can do a short version instead of a TLDR: Writers, the stakes don't have to be the universe, the world, or even everything important to the entire series to generate suspense. An old Jewish saying is: "To kill one person is to destroy the world." (paraphrased). Even if last episode, the lives of millions were endangered, that does not mean that the life or happiness or one person can't be just as strong a basis for suspense in this episode.
Yes, well, now we get to see what the Doctor's version of laying low is. Maybe.
I must say, I'm curious what Nine or Ten would have made of Rory. I'm not sure Nine would have had a lot affection for him, but I bet he and Ten would have seriously bonded. More than him and Eleven, quite honestly.
Yeah, I think Ten would have really appreciated Rory's steadfastness, even more than Eleven does. I think Eleven takes it for granted.
Moffat's a great big cheater. But I'll let him have this one.
Yes, BUT.... Wasn't the Doctor's death required to put time right again? But he didn't really die! So how does the pseudo-Death of a robot controlled by miniaturised people which happened to look like the Doctor put things right again?
Also, why was it necessary for the Doctor to actually
marry
River. Apart from giving her a reason to touch him again, or was that it? (I was pretty tired last night, perhaps I should just rewatch).
Other than that, I actually enjoyed the episode quite a lot. Especially Charles Dickens being asked about the Christmas Special.
Not quite sure how I feel about this episode. It feels like a cop out, and does this also mean that no fixed point is really fixed?
I sometimes miss the simpler Doctor Who days.
But... new tag! I adore Amy and Rory in any timeline!
Perhaps they're only "fixed" points. It's hard to pronounce quote marks, especially in the heat of battle and/or weddings.
Maybe the Doctor could go back to Pompeii and just switch everybody who died with a robot. (Man, Stephen Moffat has lost it.)
does this also mean that no fixed point is really fixed?
I really don't think so. I think this fixed point is genuinely fixed. I'm not seeing this as being too much of a cheat, honestly. After all, we were speculating about it being a Flesh Doctor for quite a while (which may have kept us from spotting that Chekhov's gun in LKH). If the Doctor is going to lay seriously low for a while, then the event would be reported as his death.
In short, the fixed point wasn't the Doctor's death--the fixed point was Astronaut!River shooting the robot and the Doctor going subsequently missing. The
nature
of the fixed point was, however, deliberately mis-reported.
An old Jewish saying is: "To kill one person is to destroy the world." (paraphrased).
I love how Rory pointed out something similar in The God Complex about Howie's overcoming his stammer.
Perhaps they're only "fixed" points. It's hard to pronounce quote marks, especially in the heat of battle and/or weddings.
Remember Dalek Caan (KHAAAAAAAN!!!1!) was somehow able to accidentally break the time lock on the Time War and rescue Davros. So changing fixed events appears to be possible, just incredibly difficult and very costly to those who manage to do so.
