I must say, I'm curious what Nine or Ten would have made of Rory. I'm not sure Nine would have had a lot affection for him, but I bet he and Ten would have seriously bonded. More than him and Eleven, quite honestly.
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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon
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Frankenbuddha - Oct 01, 2011 8:26:57 pm PDT #18371 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Barb - Oct 01, 2011 8:47:59 pm PDT #18372 of 30001
“Not dead yet!”
Yeah, I think Ten would have really appreciated Rory's steadfastness, even more than Eleven does. I think Eleven takes it for granted.
Fiona - Oct 01, 2011 9:27:45 pm PDT #18373 of 30001
Moffat's a great big cheater. But I'll let him have this one.
Yes, BUT.... Wasn't the Doctor's death required to put time right again? But he didn't really die! So how does the pseudo-Death of a robot controlled by miniaturised people which happened to look like the Doctor put things right again?
Also, why was it necessary for the Doctor to actually marry River. Apart from giving her a reason to touch him again, or was that it? (I was pretty tired last night, perhaps I should just rewatch).
Other than that, I actually enjoyed the episode quite a lot. Especially Charles Dickens being asked about the Christmas Special.
Rayne - Oct 01, 2011 9:29:26 pm PDT #18374 of 30001
"Oh no! Has falling sky liquid once again caused you the sadness?" -Starfire
Not quite sure how I feel about this episode. It feels like a cop out, and does this also mean that no fixed point is really fixed?
I sometimes miss the simpler Doctor Who days.
But... new tag! I adore Amy and Rory in any timeline!
Calli - Oct 01, 2011 10:17:25 pm PDT #18375 of 30001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs
Perhaps they're only "fixed" points. It's hard to pronounce quote marks, especially in the heat of battle and/or weddings.
Maysa - Oct 01, 2011 11:18:18 pm PDT #18376 of 30001
Maybe the Doctor could go back to Pompeii and just switch everybody who died with a robot. (Man, Stephen Moffat has lost it.)
Anne W. - Oct 02, 2011 2:57:41 am PDT #18377 of 30001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.
does this also mean that no fixed point is really fixed?
I really don't think so. I think this fixed point is genuinely fixed. I'm not seeing this as being too much of a cheat, honestly. After all, we were speculating about it being a Flesh Doctor for quite a while (which may have kept us from spotting that Chekhov's gun in LKH). If the Doctor is going to lay seriously low for a while, then the event would be reported as his death.
In short, the fixed point wasn't the Doctor's death--the fixed point was Astronaut!River shooting the robot and the Doctor going subsequently missing. The nature of the fixed point was, however, deliberately mis-reported.
An old Jewish saying is: "To kill one person is to destroy the world." (paraphrased).
I love how Rory pointed out something similar in The God Complex about Howie's overcoming his stammer.
Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 02, 2011 5:41:10 am PDT #18378 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Perhaps they're only "fixed" points. It's hard to pronounce quote marks, especially in the heat of battle and/or weddings.
Remember Dalek Caan (KHAAAAAAAN!!!1!) was somehow able to accidentally break the time lock on the Time War and rescue Davros. So changing fixed events appears to be possible, just incredibly difficult and very costly to those who manage to do so.
quester - Oct 02, 2011 5:45:10 pm PDT #18379 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.
I mainlined the last 3 episodes of Dr. Who. My favorite thing? Stormaggeddon!
And I'm kind of disappointed that the Doctor that was "killed" wasn't one of those synthetic humans.
Dana - Oct 02, 2011 5:49:51 pm PDT #18380 of 30001
I haven't trusted science since I saw the film "Flubber."
Okay, while driving to Walla Walla today, I started wondering how the regeneration energy appeared, if the Doctor wasn't killed.