I seriously can't believe that Moffatt pulled a Bobby coming out of the shower.
I don't think it was quite that bad, everything that happened still actually happened. But I really did want it to be more complicated a solution than that.
We're not gonna die. We can't die, Bendis. You know why? Because we are so very pretty. We are just too pretty for God to let us die.
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sj - Oct 01, 2011 6:09:40 pm PDT #18364 of 30001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."
§ ita § - Oct 01, 2011 6:18:58 pm PDT #18365 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I seriously can't believe that Moffatt pulled a Bobby coming out of the shower.
He didn't. What happened happened. Just that one event wasn't what it looked like.
Barb - Oct 01, 2011 6:20:08 pm PDT #18366 of 30001
“Not dead yet!”
I don't think it was quite that bad, everything that happened still actually happened.
Did it? Because what happened to the scene at the diner post-death? Did it ever happen? Did he just pop out of the Fake! Doctor! and pop back to the diner?
Stephen Moffatt makes my head hurt, dammit.
§ ita § - Oct 01, 2011 6:22:46 pm PDT #18367 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Because what happened to the scene at the diner post-death? Did it ever happen? Did he just pop out of the Fake! Doctor! and pop back to the diner?
The Doctor in the diner wasn't the Doctor in the Doctor that got shot, though. I don't see why it wouldn't have happened. The part where they burnt the body still happened.
sj - Oct 01, 2011 6:39:01 pm PDT #18368 of 30001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."
The Doctor in the diner wasn't the Doctor in the Doctor that got shot, though. I don't see why it wouldn't have happened. The part where they burnt the body still happened.
This, and also it would pretty much have to have happened for everything after it to have happened.
Typo Boy - Oct 01, 2011 6:56:32 pm PDT #18369 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
I would like, at some point, for the stakes not to be THE END OF ALL TIME. Just for variety.
I've ranted about this before, so let's see if I can do a short version instead of a TLDR: Writers, the stakes don't have to be the universe, the world, or even everything important to the entire series to generate suspense. An old Jewish saying is: "To kill one person is to destroy the world." (paraphrased). Even if last episode, the lives of millions were endangered, that does not mean that the life or happiness or one person can't be just as strong a basis for suspense in this episode.
-t - Oct 01, 2011 7:24:33 pm PDT #18370 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
Yes, well, now we get to see what the Doctor's version of laying low is. Maybe.
Frankenbuddha - Oct 01, 2011 8:26:57 pm PDT #18371 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
I must say, I'm curious what Nine or Ten would have made of Rory. I'm not sure Nine would have had a lot affection for him, but I bet he and Ten would have seriously bonded. More than him and Eleven, quite honestly.
Barb - Oct 01, 2011 8:47:59 pm PDT #18372 of 30001
“Not dead yet!”
Yeah, I think Ten would have really appreciated Rory's steadfastness, even more than Eleven does. I think Eleven takes it for granted.
Fiona - Oct 01, 2011 9:27:45 pm PDT #18373 of 30001
Moffat's a great big cheater. But I'll let him have this one.
Yes, BUT.... Wasn't the Doctor's death required to put time right again? But he didn't really die! So how does the pseudo-Death of a robot controlled by miniaturised people which happened to look like the Doctor put things right again?
Also, why was it necessary for the Doctor to actually marry River. Apart from giving her a reason to touch him again, or was that it? (I was pretty tired last night, perhaps I should just rewatch).
Other than that, I actually enjoyed the episode quite a lot. Especially Charles Dickens being asked about the Christmas Special.