And the show dealt with the violations that Willow did of her relationship with Tara. It admitted it was wrong and abusive.
Yep. And Tara left her. There were consequences.
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smonster - Jul 01, 2011 9:04:04 am PDT #17520 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.
tiggy - Jul 01, 2011 9:04:45 am PDT #17521 of 30001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore
ahh...wasn't posting here then and i don't really recall it being mentioned at the Beta back in the day. of course, i had stopped reading a lot of topical stuff then too because of the crazies at the board.
And the show dealt with the violations that Willow did of her relationship with Tara. It admitted it was wrong and abusive.
yes and no. i mean, when Tara figured out what had happened, she left. she still came back though.
you're using "women", but we've really only seen it happen with Caroline, which isn't to say that he hasn't done it before or after. just that we haven't seen it.
personally, he wouldn't have to use any magic on me. vampire or no.
Jessica - Jul 01, 2011 9:09:15 am PDT #17522 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
yes and no. i mean, when Tara figured out what had happened, she left. she still came back though.
How is that yes and no? Women return to abusive relationships all the time - it doesn't negate that abuse is happening, it just means that people frequently act against their own best-interest when they're in love.
Frankenbuddha - Jul 01, 2011 9:12:09 am PDT #17523 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
This show doesn't, and I'm startled by how many fans don't see that these women would not have had sex with Damon if he hadn't compelled them, therefore he magicked his way into their knickers, and that's not consensual.
Much like Owen using the alien whatsit in the pilot of Torchwood, then. Yeah - I'd call that rape.
§ ita § - Jul 01, 2011 9:12:59 am PDT #17524 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
you're using "women", but we've really only seen it happen with Caroline, which isn't to say that he hasn't done it before or after. just that we haven't seen it.
No, there's the reporter (?) in this past season. He also compelled her when she blanched and then continued having his merry way with her. I'm not sure if there were others. But there were at least two.
§ ita § - Jul 01, 2011 9:13:38 am PDT #17525 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Much like Owen using the alien whatsit in the pilot of Torchwood, then. Yeah - I'd call that rape.
Ayup.
Sex pollen is noncon, and sex pollen wielded with intent is rape.
sj - Jul 01, 2011 9:18:24 am PDT #17526 of 30001
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Much like Owen using the alien whatsit in the pilot of Torchwood, then. Yeah - I'd call that rape.
I never could really like Owen after that pilot episode. To me he always remained the creepy rapist.
tiggy - Jul 01, 2011 9:26:39 am PDT #17527 of 30001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore
How is that yes and no?
I just mean that if the show was trying to send a message that rape is wrong then they ultimately failed. both by having Tara go back to Willow and again when Buffy forgives Spike and then tells him she loves him.
No, there's the reporter (?) in this past season. He also compelled her when she blanched and then continued having his merry way with her.
we've since been shown that she knows what's going on and continues to stick around though. that's who i was referring to when i mentioned Andie.
-t - Jul 01, 2011 9:28:42 am PDT #17528 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
we've since been shown that she knows what's going on and continues to stick around though.
We have? Admittedly, I watch VD with half an eye, but I had the impression she only stuck around because she was being compelled.
§ ita § - Jul 01, 2011 9:31:40 am PDT #17529 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
She came back to him afterwards (and he was surprised he didn't have to compel it out of her), but he has definitely used his powers to overcome her reluctance. Her forgiving him doesn't make it consensual.
If she was fully consensual all the time, there would be no compelling happening at all. There's clearly compelling happening.