we've since been shown that she knows what's going on and continues to stick around though.
We have? Admittedly, I watch VD with half an eye, but I had the impression she only stuck around because she was being compelled.
Get up...get up, you stupid piece of... What did you do that for? What's wrong with you? Didn't you hear a word he said? All of you! You think there's someone just going to drop money on you?! Money they could use?! Well, there ain't people like that. There's just people like me.
Jayne ,'Jaynestown'
Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon
A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.
Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.
Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.
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-t - Jul 01, 2011 9:28:42 am PDT #17528 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
§ ita § - Jul 01, 2011 9:31:40 am PDT #17529 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
She came back to him afterwards (and he was surprised he didn't have to compel it out of her), but he has definitely used his powers to overcome her reluctance. Her forgiving him doesn't make it consensual.
If she was fully consensual all the time, there would be no compelling happening at all. There's clearly compelling happening.
tiggy - Jul 01, 2011 9:38:08 am PDT #17530 of 30001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore
i'm mostly referring to this scene. [link]
§ ita § - Jul 01, 2011 9:48:05 am PDT #17531 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I can't listen to audio from work, so I have no way of telling what went down. When they first got together, in the bathtub, there was compelling happening. He removed her ability to consent.
-t - Jul 01, 2011 9:52:20 am PDT #17532 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
Well, I'm gonna stick with my gut reaction, which is that it doesn't matter how the victims react, really, once he compels a woman to sleep with him he's forced her into sex and that's rape. Whether that means anything in particular about his character or the show or whatever is open to debate but that he's done that seems pretty clear.
§ ita § - Jul 01, 2011 9:55:53 am PDT #17533 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Forgiving a rapist also doesn't make it not rape. Loving a rapist doesn't make it not rape. Rape is what happens, right then, when a person's ability to consent is removed, and sexual acts are performed. Not what happened before or afterwards.
tiggy - Jul 01, 2011 10:16:28 am PDT #17534 of 30001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore
agreed and conceded, ita. i don't think the writers thought Damon would be as popular as he became. why, i don't know. Damon from the books is still a sarcastic ass much of the time, but he never compels anyone to have sex with him. give him free things and let him drink from them, absolutely. but there's no rape.
follow up question for this discussion. are rapists in fiction irredeemable?
smonster - Jul 01, 2011 10:36:21 am PDT #17535 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.
What ita said.
Consuela - Jul 03, 2011 4:03:07 pm PDT #17536 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
Cool overview of ALL the various credit sequences for Doctor Who: [link]
Jon B. - Jul 04, 2011 3:16:22 am PDT #17537 of 30001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
Cool overview of ALL the various credit sequences for Doctor Who: [link]
Well, that was... thorough! (and surprisingly entertaining!)