I'm thinking that Walternate and Post-Children-of-Earth Captain Jack Harkness are going to have a lot to discuss.
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Theodosia - Mar 26, 2011 5:53:43 am PDT #16350 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"
-t - Mar 26, 2011 6:04:23 am PDT #16351 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
I'm not sure whether destroying one universe is the byproduct of saving the other, or the other way around, or if it matters which it is. I'm hoping that what Olivia told the other Broyles is right and both universes can be saved somehow.
§ ita § - Mar 26, 2011 6:07:41 am PDT #16352 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I'm not sure whether destroying one universe is the byproduct of saving the other, or the other way around, or if it matters which it is.
But Walternate's primary mission is to save his universe. At any cost. Why would he want to destroy the other universe for no other benefit?
-t - Mar 26, 2011 6:16:31 am PDT #16353 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
Revenge, maybe. But my uncertainty is really about the machine's primary effect, not Walternate's goals. Does it save one universe at the expense of the other, or does it destroy one universe and the hope is that that destruction will save the other?
It's open question, I think, whether the possibility of saving his universe without destroying the other universe is one Walternate would prefer, or even consider.
§ ita § - Mar 26, 2011 6:22:05 am PDT #16354 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Huh. I'd never considered Walternate going for revenge. I thought they were being straightforward in indicating that the B side was fighting for their survival, and that although it made them cold and do regrettable things, their motives were completely reasonable.
That's why they're able to be viewed sympathetically.
Walternate's a bastard, but he's a bastard whose kid was stolen, and who's fighting for a world's survival. And who won't (so far) experiment on kids.
It's weird what one person thinks is the message, and other people read differently.
-t - Mar 26, 2011 6:28:07 am PDT #16355 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
I don't necessarily think he's motivated by revenge, but he might be. It's unclear. On the whole, the people of his universe are just trying to survive, but he's a little murkier.
§ ita § - Mar 26, 2011 6:35:44 am PDT #16356 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Whereas for me, the story falls apart if he's motivated by revenge. I hadn't even considered it, and I will lose interest if it turns out to be anything other than a fight for survival.
le nubian - Mar 26, 2011 6:36:54 am PDT #16357 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
why is that, ita?
Consuela - Mar 26, 2011 6:37:37 am PDT #16358 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
I suspect it's not an either/or question. Walternate wants to save his world; but I think there's also an element of punishing those responsible for kidnapping his son and putting his world in danger, as well. He's not above some cruelty.
-t - Mar 26, 2011 6:44:38 am PDT #16359 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
That's really what I mean, Consuela - it's one thing in his mind, save his universe/destroy the other - but if those propositions can be separated would he choose saving without destroying? I find the uncertainty interesting.