I don't necessarily think he's motivated by revenge, but he might be. It's unclear. On the whole, the people of his universe are just trying to survive, but he's a little murkier.
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-t - Mar 26, 2011 6:28:07 am PDT #16355 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
§ ita § - Mar 26, 2011 6:35:44 am PDT #16356 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Whereas for me, the story falls apart if he's motivated by revenge. I hadn't even considered it, and I will lose interest if it turns out to be anything other than a fight for survival.
le nubian - Mar 26, 2011 6:36:54 am PDT #16357 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
why is that, ita?
Consuela - Mar 26, 2011 6:37:37 am PDT #16358 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
I suspect it's not an either/or question. Walternate wants to save his world; but I think there's also an element of punishing those responsible for kidnapping his son and putting his world in danger, as well. He's not above some cruelty.
-t - Mar 26, 2011 6:44:38 am PDT #16359 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
That's really what I mean, Consuela - it's one thing in his mind, save his universe/destroy the other - but if those propositions can be separated would he choose saving without destroying? I find the uncertainty interesting.
sumi - Mar 26, 2011 6:44:39 am PDT #16360 of 30001
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`Yes, that's my take too: he wants to save his world AND the icing on the cake is punishing the people who stole his child and endangered the world as well.
§ ita § - Mar 26, 2011 6:47:15 am PDT #16361 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Because if he's going for revenge (rather than accepting or even relishing it as a side effect) he's a bad guy, and the story just got 2D instead of 3.
The story I like is a dilemma started by our side with selfish but well-intentioned motives, and has two sides of equal "rootability" fighting for their futures.
The minute one of them becomes base so it's easy to side with the other, is the minute the story becomes significantly less interesting.
Difficult choices, regrettable things. That's the story that grabs me.
-t - Mar 26, 2011 7:34:28 am PDT #16362 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
I am more interested in seeing these characters find ways to avoid the regrettable things that appear to be necessary choices.
§ ita § - Mar 26, 2011 7:41:06 am PDT #16363 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I think it's interesting that I'm like "Der, it's the whole point" not realising that other people think it's a good question.
Or boneheaded. One of the two.
-t - Mar 26, 2011 7:52:17 am PDT #16364 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
The story I like is a dilemma started by our side with selfish but well-intentioned motives, and has two sides of equal "rootability" fighting for their futures.
That's the most important thing about this season of Fringe for me, really. It probably says something about me that I wouldn't find a more revenge-driven Walternate all that unsympathetic.